Gen. Antonio Erasto Monsivais holds up a seized .50 caliber Barrett model 99 single-shot rifle in the seized weapons warehouse at the headquarters of the Secretary of Defense in Mexico City. Mexican authorities have repeatedly complained that most of the weapons used by drug cartels there — including Barrett rifles — are coming from the U.S. The ATF’s Fast and Furious probe allowed guns to be trafficked south of the border in an effort to nail high-level cartel operatives Credit: Eduardo Verdugo/Associated Press
ATF agent says "Fast and Furious" program let guns "walk" into hands of Mexican drug cartels with aim of tracking and breaking a big case.
By Sharyl Attkisson
CBS
Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief.
He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico?
"Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was."
An Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent assigned to the Phoenix office in 2010, Dodson's job is to stop gun trafficking across the border. Instead, he says he was ordered to sit by and watch it happen.
Investigators call the tactic letting guns "walk." In this case, walking into the hands of criminals who would use them in Mexico and the United States.
Dodson's bosses say that never happened. Now, he's risking his job to go public.
"I'm boots on the ground in Phoenix, telling you we've been doing it every day since I've been here," he said. "Here I am. Tell me I didn't do the things that I did. Tell me you didn't order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn't happen. Now you have a name on it. You have a face to put with it. Here I am. Someone now, tell me it didn't happen."
Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.
ATF named the case "Fast and Furious."
Surveillance video obtained by CBS News shows suspected drug cartel suppliers carrying boxes of weapons to their cars at a Phoenix gun shop. The long boxes shown in the video being loaded in were AK-47-type assault rifles.
So it turns out ATF not only allowed it - they videotaped it.
Documents show the inevitable result: The guns that ATF let go began showing up at crime scenes in Mexico. And as ATF stood by watching thousands of weapons hit the streets... the Fast and Furious group supervisor noted the escalating Mexican violence.
One e-mail noted, "958 killed in March 2010 ... most violent month since 2005." The same e-mail notes: "Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during March alone," including "numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles."
Dodson feels that ATF was partly to blame for the escalating violence in Mexico and on the border. "I even asked them if they could see the correlation between the two," he said. "The more our guys buy, the more violence we're having down there."
Senior agents including Dodson told CBS News they confronted their supervisors over and over.
Their answer, according to Dodson, was, "If you're going to make an omelette, you've got to break some eggs."
There was so much opposition to the gun walking, that an ATF supervisor issued an e-mail noting a "schism" among the agents. "Whether you care or not people of rank and authority at HQ are paying close attention to this case...we are doing what they envisioned.... If you don't think this is fun you're in the wrong line of work... Maybe the Maricopa County jail is hiring detention officers and you can get $30,000 ... to serve lunch to inmates..."
"We just knew it wasn't going to end well. There's just no way it could," Dodson said.
On Dec. 14, 2010, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down. Dodson got the bad news from a colleague.
According to Dodson, "They said, 'Did you hear about the border patrol agent?' And I said, 'Yeah.' And they said 'Well it was one of the Fast and Furious guns.' There's not really much you can say after that."
Two assault rifles ATF had let go nearly a year before were found at Terry's murder.
Dodson said, "I felt guilty. I mean it's crushing. I don't know how to explain it."
Sen. Grassley began investigating after his office spoke to Dodson and a dozen other ATF sources -- all telling the same story.
Read Sen. Grassley's letter to the Attorney General
The response was "practically zilch," Grassley said. "From the standpoint that documents we want - we have not gotten them. I think it's a case of stonewalling."
Dodson said he hopes that speaking out helps Terry's family. They haven't been told much of anything about his murder - or where the bullet came from.
"First of all, I'd tell them that I'm sorry. Second of all, I'd tell them I've done everything that I can for them to get the truth," Dodson said. "After this, I don't know what else I can do. But I hope they get it."
Dodson said they never did take down a drug cartels. However, he said thousands of Fast and Furious weapons are still out there and will be claiming victims on both sides of the border for years to come.
Late tonight, the ATF said it will convene a panel to look into its national firearms trafficking strategy. But it refused to comment specifically on Sharyl's report.
Statement from Kenneth E. Melson, Acting Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives:
"The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) will ask a multi-disciplinary panel of law enforcement professionals to review the bureau's current firearms trafficking strategies employed by field division managers and special agents. This review will enable ATF to maximize its effectiveness when undertaking complex firearms trafficking investigations and prosecutions. It will support the goals of ATF to stem the illegal flow of firearms to Mexico and combat firearms trafficking in the United States."
Sharyl Attkisson's original "Gunrunner" report
Center for Public Integrity report
SERIOUSLY!!!!I hope these idiots letting the guns out & into Mexico burn in hell or receive the same torturous death that some to these inocent people whom have lost family members including children to this drug war. The United States should be accountable for the aftermath of their actions. They don't think its bad enough having to deal w/zetas, sicarios and drug dealers that they have to add to the pot too! Really? The blood and carnage of the thousands of inocent people that have been slain and murdered is in your hands! May God have mercy on You! This just infuriates me what idiot uses guns as bait...bola de pendejos!
ReplyDeleteI knew this all along, US wants chaos and anarchy in Mexico so it can come in and play hero to take over the oil reserves, probably destroy them to raise prices on everything that requires the fossil fuel. Beware of those that show light for darkness and darkness for light, good for evil and evil for good.
ReplyDeletei am so angry they have put me and my family at risk trying to be super agents . I Smell a cover up - if this hadn't come to light would they have used this to ban guns in the USA ?
ReplyDeletethey all should be intited
@Capo..
ReplyDeleteWow! I guess you have it all figured out..the US is after Mexico's oil? and the best way to do that is to arm the Drug Cartels? Let's not forget..it is the Mexican Drug Cartels that are destroying Mexico not the US. However, I will concede the US is not helping the problem...
As long as the high level of greed and corruption remain in the Mexican government...things will not change..
As an American I am ashamed of my country... Ever since 9/11 the U.S. has went to hell, invading Iraq killing innocent men, women and children, committing war crimes of torture, Bush and Cheney are admitted war criminals and they need to be brought to justice... The A.T.F. and F.B.I. and D.E.A. and C.I.A. are all criminal groups and the congress is full of old geratric stupid politicians that have made their positions a carreer and to just watch them when they do interviews they look and sound horrible like they should be in a nursing home rather than making life and death decisions for our country... I am appalled at this story that the A.T.F. has failed to do its job and are now responsible for thousands of innocent Mexicans being killed! They need to be held responsible and put in prison! Bush and Cheney needs to be brought before a world court for the war crimes they have committed through using the American military and I think if that ever happens we will see that they are also responsible for what happened on 9/11 as that was an inside job! An act of domestic terrorism so as to make up an excuse to invade Iraq!
ReplyDeleteTo all Iraqis and Mexicans all I can do is continue to tell the truth and apologize from my heart... I am saddened everyday when I hear of more Mexicans being tortured and killed although Mexico does have to take responsibility for its part I am just speaking for myself... I have Mexican friends and they are like brothers to me... I wish the cartels would stop killing Mexicans and try and make Mexico a better country, if not then whats the point? Its unforgivable to kill your own race and ruin your own country! To the good Mexicans, "Viva La Raza, God Speed..." - Grande Goat Horn
US citizens complait that Mexican drugs are for sale in every US city.The $ gos back to Mexico. Mexicans buy guns in the US,gernades in central america,flack vests, radios,armored vehicles,ammo,explosives,then complain that violence in Mexico is due to the fact that Mexicans break US law and Mexican law by smuggling guns into Mexico from the US. The only thing amazing is that some people actually buy into this argument?? Texas citizens posess more guns per capita than any other state,is Texas safe,YES,is there law and order,YES,are Mexican drug smugglers-peddlers in Texas,YES, POINT BEING its not the guns its the people who have them,their responsibility,their culture,or the lack thereof.
ReplyDeleteWhere was Statfor's "intelligence" on this. What a joke Statfor is.
ReplyDeleteI guarantee those guns killed less people than the tons of narcotics the mexican authorities let "walk" into the US on the same days.
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ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
Maybe you should pack your shit and head to Mexico, since your so ashamed of your country (USA). BTW...the ATF is not responsible for the thousands of murders in Mexico...last I heard it was the Mexican Drug Cartels, who were doing the murdering...and just exactly how are these guns entering into Mexico...I though they have gun laws, which are x10 more stringent than the U.S. oh, I forgot..we are talking about Mexico, where anything can be bought and sold for a price...
@el gran cuerno de chivo. You nailed bro. My sentiments exactly. The fact is our governments are playing with our lives. There is no way one cartel let alone all of these could get away with making so much money if the corruption on the federal level did not run both ways. Fuck these pieces of shit!
ReplyDeleteAt BB.. thanks for posting this story as I missed it when it came out in the morning the other day. I hope this story goes viral.
Mexico needs to start "walking" the CAPOS of these Cartels to the GUILLOTINE. All these conflicts originate from GREED, BETRAYAL, and HATE. All the young ones running around with THESE guns are taking orders from LAS MARRANAS (THE FEMALE HOGS). Until you pull the root from the ground the weeds will continue to spread. Las Marranas are the ones that finance these purchases and are the masterminds. Why don't they leave all the younger people out of it. They should have a get together and see who the bigger "man" is. Instead of taking advantage of poverty and converting purse-snatchers to KILLERS. Ya no se hagan pendejos... Muerto el perro (CHAPO) se acaba la rabia!
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PARA UN MEXICO SIN CARTELES
@March 4, 2011 12:27 PM
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How hard is it for you morons to admit that these guns probably killed hundreds of people! That even tho the ATF knew exactly who they were going to, did nothing to stop them. To say "its not the guns its the people who have them" is the most stupidest excuse I ever heard esp. when they knew what they were going to do with these weapons!! Its like giving John Allen Muhammad, and Lee Boyd Malvo a sniper rifle and saying lets see what they do? DUH!!! How retarded!!
Grande Goat Horn...please shut up. Your ashamed of America.. look south buddy.
ReplyDeleteMore violence in Mexico can facilitate more $$$$ for the ATF! "Con el dinero el pero baila"!!!
ReplyDeleteSenator asks if ATF unwittingly helped Border Patrol agent's killers....
ReplyDeletethis is not new, this story about the ATF has been around for a year, so again until one US agent is killed...then it becomes an issue. here is the link below
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/03/04/mexico.guns.grassley/
What a sham! I am a gun owner and I enjoy the second amendment. The idea that ATF allowed and is probably still allowing a steady stream of weapons into Mexico makes me sick to my stomach.
ReplyDeleteIf you have these criminals on video buying the weapons and are following them to the border with the intent to import the said weapons without proper permits and licenses arrest them nuff said.
I say thank you Officer Dodson for bringing this to the attention of the national media and the citizens of the USA.
Ok my peeps here's the scoop.
ReplyDeleteThis is not a just breaking story, in fact there was a senate investigation that had begun and then stopped for questionable reason.
Do you remember the carter case? the gun store owner? His attorney brought ALL this info to light as he prepared for that case.
so...my Q to you all where the hell do you get your news? Narco blogs? God help us all.
As for apologizing to Messico are you fucking kidding me??? US is not perfect for sure, but apoligize to Mexico? who else in this world helps Mexico as much as we? I am so disgusted with Calderon slamming the US for everything from legalizing MJ (he was against even though Mx decided to legalize for personal use) to immigration ....Noneya Calderon None ya business...take care of your country, began with corruption, but of course that means you will lose your job, then provide quality education for all children so cartels will not have such a huge field to recruit from, began with that...
and apoligizing to Iraq? WTF? they were so much better under sadam? ask the Kurds what they think of that...
idiots
I need a cup of coffee
ATF are a bunch of out of control cowboys who think they're smarter than everyone else, just see how that worked out at Waco. Every thing ATF touches turns to crap but they keep doing it over and over.
ReplyDeleteIdeally every ATF supervisor involved in this idiot program will be out of a job, but the most likely to lose his job is the whistleblower. They'll get him one way or another. If they don't fire him outright, they'll send him out on a seizure with no backup or some such.
@March 4, 2011 1:10 PM - K.M.A.
ReplyDelete@March 4, 2011 1:55 PM - K.M.A.
@March 4, 2011 3:12 PM - Those guns are now starting to kill Americans... Just seeing that email from the supervisor that says "To make an omelet you have to break some eggs" gives you some insight into just how sick and twisted he is! Then to threaten this agent with having to go work at the jail serving food for trying to do the right thing and follow the law is just unacceptable and that idiot needs to be charged and put in jail as soon as possible... But he wont be, he will probably be promoted just like they all were when they burned up all the little kids in Waco and when they shot Randy Weaver's wife in the face in Ruby Ridge Idaho as she was standing on the porch holding her baby, after they had already shot and killed his 14 year old son and his dog! Thats the problem with America none of those scum bags are ever held accountable! When is the last time you ever heard of any of them being put in jail? Its the $20 crack user that the lock up and spend millions to house and feed as the real bad guys walk free! The bankers steal all the peoples money and then the government uses tax money to bail them out so the very same bankers went ahead and gave themselves huge raises... Just fucking pathetic and yes I am ashamed of my government and the rest of the world is also, is it any wonder other nations hate America? Iraq had NOTHING to do with al-Qaeda and they had no WMD's America has invaded the middle east to build and secure an oil pipeline and they have killed more than a million innocent people in the process! al-Qaeda had NOTHING to do with what happened on 9/11! That was all false flag domestic terrorism perpetrated by the American government so that they could justify the patriot act and invading Iraq! history will prove every claim I have made to be 100% TRUTH! Its the very same bastards the killed J.F.K.! J.F.K. was going to get us out of the criminal PRIVATE BANK the Federal Reserve, 2 weeks after making that announcement they killed him! Just like EVERYONE in the U.S. military I can not stand my government but I love my people, The U.S. is being held hostage by these two cartels names Republicans and Democrats! They use every dirty trick known to man, every unfar tactic, they lie cheat and steal to get elected and then they act as if they never made any campaign promises... And what do the American people do about any of it? NOTHING! Its ALL by design to have Americans living from pay check to pay check, they keep it that way so they do not have time to think about anything else except how they are going to pay next months bills... Ya, you as well as every other person living in America had better wake up and smell the coffee! - Grande Goat Horn
The ATF was caught with their pants down and they are stilll denying what they have been doing? Anyone can see what is now taking place, they claim it was done to "catch" the bad guys but the big fish are still out there kiling innocent people with guns "sold" to the cartel killers, looks like they are just as corrupt as the worst zetas...they should be sent to prison to rot for this one...
ReplyDeletecorruption on the mexican side ...sheer unmitigated stupidity on our side
ReplyDeletewhat a fucking stupid mess
The US needs to get rid of BATF. It is clear that they are total morons and should not be in charge. An agent got killed with one of these weapons. Everyone hate us law abiding gun owners because of their stupid actions.
ReplyDeleteSounds like the racist white supremists have high position jobs in the government. You know they love there job, they take pride in knowing they helped provide the guns that mexicans use to kill each other. Will justice be served or is that system in the U.S.A. also infiltrated with the same racists. Come U.S.A. citizens Wake Up.
ReplyDeleteNowe we wait for the new youtube Video
ReplyDeleteInterrogando a un ATF
@Buela
ReplyDelete"As for apologizing to Messico are you fucking kidding me??? US is not perfect for sure, but apoligize to Mexico? who else in this world helps Mexico as much as we?"
And you call helping Mexico by letting these guns go? This is not so much about apologizing to Mexico but more about the innocent people being killed there which you bet your ass they probably killed hundreds. Just like the Border Patrol agent. This is BULLSHIT!! This is by far the most stupidest operation ever. EPIC FAIL!!!
your idiots blame the person who sells the weapons and not the persons who pulled the trigger
ReplyDeletenow go after the knife company you know the ones that are used for beheadings. duhhhhh
You have to understand, if they can track a Medfly coming over from Europe and land in California, they know of all the cocaine coming over. Peep this, Prez. Regan use my boy, FREEWAY Ric to fun the Contras; plus its Tax Free cash to let it over, allow those in the black communities to make allot of money, buy cars, property, etc and then come in and bust them and seize it all and give u 30+ yrs. It will never stop and just becuz we have a Black Prez and Attorney Gen, you should really know, its gonna increase like it has.
ReplyDeleteSo, if one wants to become a SCARFACE, I suggest you 1st secure a AMMUNITY LETTER and then sell cocaine for our Govt, at least you can get a lil piece of the pie, their getting.
I am hearth broken right now, I am originally from Mexico and love it, have family there. I am so thankful for the USA which has given me the opportunity to make a life here, I am even a citizen. After seeing this it literally brought me to tears, the country that now I call home and have learned to love does this that affects and slowly kills the other country I love.
ReplyDeleteMe lo imagine desde un principio! And now who can help us? In God we trust. And not in US. God Bless America
ReplyDeletesounds like an atf kingpin is in bed with the cartels kingpin, money talks.
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ReplyDeleteWTF is a "AMMUNITY LETTER"
Freeway Rick as you call him was a drug dealer who made money selling cocaine because he had a person who had a south American connection, nothing more to it. Crack was not invented by the CIA as many of your conspiracy theory would suggest, it was invented by a coloumbian chemist in columbia. It would be counterproductive to frame drug dealers by letting them buy cars and property and then give them 30+ years, keeping someone in jail costs a lot of money. Let me put it like this, the US government has no idea just how many narcotics make it over the border, they can only speculate. The black street gangs are the last on the list to receive the product to resell on the streets, they make it sound like more on rap videos. Los elementos que emplean los carteles mexicanos son los que venden cantidades por mayor y son los del dinero.
I don't believe the reason to let the guns walk was to "take down the cartels". It doesn't make any sense! While you're at it why not send them money, armored vehicles and handcuffs?
ReplyDeleteWhat was done was intentional and for evil purposes.
I hope that agent who is talking doesn't have some kind of "accident".
It is strange that after the 2 top chiefs "talks" this come to light.Mmmhhh.
ReplyDeletehaha you guys point out a single event(waco) and label the ATF as a total failure. Yeah waco was a clusterfuck, but how many THOUSANDS of successful operations have they completed in the meantime?
ReplyDeleteYou guys really think the ATF isn't stopping thousands and thousands of guns from getting into mex? Hahaha, then tell them to take a few months off and see how many guns turn up in the hands of your criminals.
Just keep taking the easy route and blaming americans for everything, it's working great for you so far.
Look to your own house before you start condemning the ATF. The scope of corruption in the mexican govt can't even be compared to a few guns being tracked into your country. Thousands of tons of cocaine, meth, etc don't make it across the border in huge shipments without govt complicity.
This is a GLOBAL problem. Not a mex problem, not a US problem. It's GLOBAL and until people wake the fuck up and stop playing the blame game, it will continue to expand and get worse.
I love it when government-hating, TEA drinking gun idiots turn into fervent nationalists defending the ATF. HYPOCRITES.
ReplyDeleteJa, Ja, Ja....
"Yeah waco was a clusterfuck, but how many THOUSANDS of successful operations have they completed in the meantime?"
ReplyDeleteKnowing ATF, probably ZERO
Come on guys. the United States government knows what the hell they are doing. "Operation Fast & Furious" was made to track many of the most wanted drug cartel lords by intel. I believe it did what it was supposed to. Now, I do feel so bad for the killing of Border Patrol Agent Terry with one of our guns but unfortunately, people from both of the border will get hurt if both governments are trying to stop the war on drugs.Now, by Mexico not knowing about this secret operation, I don't blame them at all. Can you be honest and tell me you really trust the mexican government? HELL NO! I beleive the ATF is doing what they felt was necessary.
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ReplyDelete"You guys really think the ATF isn't stopping thousands and thousands of guns from getting into mex? Hahaha, then tell them to take a few months off and see how many guns turn up in the hands of your criminals"
The last figure I heard from project gun runner was the opposit, ATF let a bit over 2,000 guns into Mexico.
"Look to your own house before you start condemning the ATF. The scope of corruption in the mexican govt can't even be compared to a few guns being tracked into your country. Thousands of tons of cocaine, meth, etc don't make it across the border in huge shipments without govt complicity"
I don't think you get it., one of our bp agents got killed because of it now his little ones have to grow up without a dad because of the sheer stupidity of BATF and eric holder. BATF doing this doesnt make them any less evil than the authorities In Mexico who participate in corrouption.
Sad to say, but wouldn't be the first time the US Government was involved in, or in this case complicit with running guns in Latin countries.
ReplyDeleteThe anti-2nd rad lib media's pushing the Clintong Pupet Obama regime's talking point memo taht X% of guns are coming from America was just an attack on law abiding citizens implying guilt by associateion..i.e. it must be those 2nd ammendment gun nuts selling to criminals. Of course that like was debunked the month they started the rumor. It was proven were more guns coming from other countries. During Clintong, the container load of AK's from China headed for south of the border was siezed in SoCal Port the lock step media shut their mouths and you never heard JACK about it. So that makes China or someone connected to them the Gun Runners, doesn't it?
Not to minimize this horrible and stupid strategy on part of ATF--what did they think they would gain by allowing so many guns into the country?? This is absurd. They had to know that they would be used to kill at least Mexican soldiers and probably an official or so. Find a better way to trace them for heaven sake!
ReplyDeleteHere's my but--I am sure their are private-and illegal-gunrunners trafficking guns into Mexico by the truckload. I think alot of the guns and esp granades get here when they buy them off old regimes elsewhere and sell to cartels.
Here is a CBS update: ATF memo after CBS report: We need positive press
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20039251-10391695.html
GENOCIDE !!! Aided and abetted by the US government at the same time the administration reams Calderon for not doing enough ! FUK!!!
ReplyDeleteI repeat, this is a old story. A senate commission convened to investigate but was halted for whatever reason. And did not come to the surface again until Nov-Dec 2010 when Carter was charged. I began researching and the story developed long ago. The project is called Project Gunrunner and is available on line. Here is a Public Radio report:
ReplyDeletehttp://app1.kuhf.org/houston_public_radio-news-display.php?articles_id=1292363969
WHY IS THIS NOT FRONT-PAGE NEWS ON YAHOO AND GOOGLE??!!!!
ReplyDeleteFirst and for most, I am an American gun owner with family in mexico and even I think the ATF needs to go, all they want is more power and they were going to get if they "broke this case" thus infringing our rights. No Mexican has a right to tell me what right I can have and can't have. When you are an American you can make an argument, but still have no right to ban our guns. Why? Cause gun control isn't stated in the constitution, you know, the place that states that I can bear arm. Our founding fathers must of thought of it as important since it is right below the very first amendment that allows you liberals the right to even suggest gun control.
ReplyDeleteWith these guns they already killed :
ReplyDeleteUS Citizens ( Tourists )
Border Patrol Agent in US,
ICE Agent in MX
DEA Agents
Now what , ATF Agents ? CBP Agents ? Police Officers ?
what about the threats to those Federal Agencies ?
Than will be the citizens of USA ???
Most of the comments here might as well say something like this: "Well, it's just a bunch of lazy brown mexican fuks, I can't be bothered with that now, Glenn Beck is about to start and then O'reilly and then Dancing with the Stars is up next. We'll worry about that other crap when it happens to white folks. Now that shit's personal, don't you dare fuk with us, cartel man! We got mulishas here, boy!"
ReplyDeleteI can't say I'm surprised, most people who think this way- and all you have to do is scan the grammar in their comments- in addition to dropping high school, they seem to be afflicted by intensive genetic inbreeding and the results are painfully self evident: A selfish, apathetic, self indulgent, obese, flatulent, bunch of demented racist, drug using hypocrites who haven't gotten the memo but wait! I sincerely hope the shoe is not on the other foot someday and instead of brown children getting ripped in half by weapons that the US "gubmint" has now admited to letting flow across the border, I pray it never happens to the kids of some of the racists on this board, spewing fecal matter through the orifices on their faces, you know who you are. Think about it when you kiss your children and tuck them away safely for the night.
I have been reading this site very informative site for some time now but haven't commented until now, in hopes of generating intelligent discussion. The story in itself is not at all shocking... some of the comments that followed are what is shocking. So agent Dodson comes clean about this story but why? A sudden guilty conscience? Maybe a payday from CBS? Maybe he was told leak this information from higher, or maybe he was just trying to do what he felt was the right thing. I am not questioning this agents integrity in any means... if he has a good justifiable reason whether it being professional or personal. From an outsider looking in it seems as if has leaked valuable information about a program that we have no idea if it was indeed having any sort of efficacy. How many convictions or tips has this program produced? That would be some valuable information to know. Also as far as the ATF is concerned, do you think they orchestrated this program on their own without the prior knowledge and approval from the U.S. government and or the Mexican Government? So many things happen behind the scenes that the general populace doesn't know about, nor do they need to know about. Bottom line all anyone cares about is positive results. We are all so quick to pass judgement, and now the ATF is the scapegoat for the negativity. One comment was made that the U.S. wants the natural resources Mexico possesses much like in Iraq and Afghanistan. What sort of benefit has the U.S. received from either of those conflicts? If Iraq was invaded for their oil then why are gas prices at an almost all time high in the U.S. currently? Maybe someone smarter than myself can help answer these questions. But the fact that people claim the U.S. intentionally let these weapons cross in order to fuel the ongoing war in Mexico without the chance of helping solve the problem is ludicrous, and completely counter productive to the aid that is being delivered and is the reason I couldn't hold my tongue on this topic.
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What I hate most about this article and some of these posts is the fact that the American public seems to care when a U.S. citizen or some agent falls vicitm to these weapons(agent Terry), but no one seems to give a crap about the innocent Mexicans who've been murdered by these weapons. Why is that ? The U.S. government cares about peoples freedoms and democracy around the world but not their lives ? Is it O.K. for the U.S. government to determine that it's fine for other people to die as long as they're not U.S. citizens ? Since when is the life of and American more valuable than anyone else ?
ReplyDelete@ 11:57 while you made some good points i think the bottom line is that no, their operation failed miserably in my opinion because one of their guns killed one of our own and who knows how many more innocent people. So whatever steps forward they may have accomplished by letting these guns through purposely was completely undermined by this incident alone. Im outraged as an American that the ATF helped make these animals' lives easier by doing exactly what theyre supposed to be stopping
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't make any sense. It's like distributing free hamburgers at a concert. They'll end up with everyone. You're not going to gain "information".
ReplyDeleteEither AFT made a horrible, stupid mistake or they have a deliberate sinister agenda.
If iran passed 2000 arms to libya, The U.S would be all in there asses. Or if mexican cartels gave 2000 arms to gangbangers congress and everyone would shit there pants. Sometimes the risk isnt worth it.Poor mexico...
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ReplyDelete"Khyber Pass" is a mountain pass that links Pakistan and Alfghanistan. And it's considered a strategic military location...Author Buckminster Fuller wrote a book called "Critical Path", and in his book, he states that 'whoever controls this passage, controls the world. That's why the U.S. troops are in Iraq, Alfghanista, etc, etc. Buckminster giver a full detail on what is going on behind the scenes of the world today and of what the ELITE are up too..
The allowing of U.S. weapons into Mexico by our own government tells me that the long term goal of the ELITE is to unite THE UNITED STATES, MEXICO, AND CANADA AS ONE: Use the WAR ON DRUGS as a means to eliminate and cleansed the COUNTRY OF MEXICO of the 'undesireables' and reap of the spoils, drug control, oil, etc, etc....If this isn't so, then why didn't President Bush push the 'border fence between Mexico and U.S?..Even though money was funded for that project!!..Ask Lou Dobbs!!...Why today, it's still business as usual...
THE DRUG WAR is everbodys problem from vicious killers, drug dealers, drug users, to money laundering, and the story goes on and on....Theres no way stopping this: 'BIG MONSTER'...Soon the ripple effect is coming to the U>S>, and the murders we see in Mexico, will be coming here...Once the dollar falls, we are in for the ride of our lives....If that isn't so, then why are the ELITE allowing ALL fiat money to collaspe, and the BILLION DOLLAR CLUB are bailing out of the paper, and converting to GOLD, SILVER, OIL, ETC,ETC,
anything worth more than the toliet paper well call MONEY..
MANKIND IS INCAPABLE of rulling the world WITH OUT DESTROYING IT, AND HIMSELF FIRST...When given FREE WILL, He will justify himself and lie to himself, or simple say THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM!!!!
GENERATE, ORGANIZE, AND DESTROY; GOD IS MY 'ROCK'....'the appointed time has arrived'...
You really have to follow this all the way back to where the orders came from. OBAMA, think about it his adminisration does nothing to secure our borders.
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