Borderland Beat
The Flores
twins, 31-year-old Chicago drug traffickers, had warned their father not to
return to Mexico, and especially not to the drug-war-torn state of Sinaloa,
home to the Sinaloa cartel, which U.S. intelligence considers one of the most
powerful drug trafficking organizations in the world.
Margarito Sr. was never heard from again.
The brothers, now in U.S. custody and acting as informants in a plea deal whose details remain secret, will be the star witnesses in the Chicago trial of Jesús Vicente Zambada-Niebla, a head of the Sinaloa cartel and the biggest Mexican drug kingpin ever to be prosecuted in a U.S. courtroom.
A status hearing on October 9 will set a new date for the trial, which has been delayed several times.
In court filings, Zambada-Niebla’s lawyers claim he, like the Flores brothers, was working with the Drug Enforcement Administration, and that in exchange for intel on rival cartels, the U.S. government turned a blind eye as “tons of illicit drugs continued to be smuggled into Chicago and other parts of the United States.”
In the months building up to the trial, a litany of court documents has been released that describe Chicago as a major distribution hub. The filings also suggest that damning details will be revealed about U.S. cooperation with some of the world’s most powerful narcos.
Margarito Sr. was never heard from again.
The brothers, now in U.S. custody and acting as informants in a plea deal whose details remain secret, will be the star witnesses in the Chicago trial of Jesús Vicente Zambada-Niebla, a head of the Sinaloa cartel and the biggest Mexican drug kingpin ever to be prosecuted in a U.S. courtroom.
A status hearing on October 9 will set a new date for the trial, which has been delayed several times.
In court filings, Zambada-Niebla’s lawyers claim he, like the Flores brothers, was working with the Drug Enforcement Administration, and that in exchange for intel on rival cartels, the U.S. government turned a blind eye as “tons of illicit drugs continued to be smuggled into Chicago and other parts of the United States.”
In the months building up to the trial, a litany of court documents has been released that describe Chicago as a major distribution hub. The filings also suggest that damning details will be revealed about U.S. cooperation with some of the world’s most powerful narcos.
 |
| Zambada |
 |
| California Governor with drugs bound for Chicago |
Between 2001 and 2008, Pedro and Margarito Flores’s drug distribution operation
flourished. Raised in Pilsen and Little Village, the brothers had direct access
to Sinaloa cartel leader Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán-Loera courtesy of their father,
who had made a career of trafficking drugs for the Sinaloa outfit.
Their ties to El Chapo meant they could circumvent the traditional supply chain controlled by local street gangs, and in turn, avoid the gangs’ trifling turf disputes. The purity and quantity of the cocaine they received directly from Mexico (roughly between 1,500 and 2,000 kilos, or about 3,300 to 4,400 pounds, of cocaine per month, according to court documents) further ensured the twins answered to no one but the Mexican cartels.
The Flores’s value and importance as traffickers for the Sinaloa cartel put them among a select number of people to have met in person with the elusive El Chapo, who escaped from a Guadalajara, Mexico, prison 11 years ago and is one of the most wanted fugitives in the world.
Their ties to El Chapo meant they could circumvent the traditional supply chain controlled by local street gangs, and in turn, avoid the gangs’ trifling turf disputes. The purity and quantity of the cocaine they received directly from Mexico (roughly between 1,500 and 2,000 kilos, or about 3,300 to 4,400 pounds, of cocaine per month, according to court documents) further ensured the twins answered to no one but the Mexican cartels.
The Flores’s value and importance as traffickers for the Sinaloa cartel put them among a select number of people to have met in person with the elusive El Chapo, who escaped from a Guadalajara, Mexico, prison 11 years ago and is one of the most wanted fugitives in the world.
 |
| Pilsen Chicago where life is rough and violence surrounds ( |
By 2001, the Flores brothers had become the main connection to Chicago for
several of the leading Mexican drug cartels. They were the principal link in a
drug-supply chain that connected Colombian producers with Mexican smugglers and
on to North American consumers. According to court documents, the drugs were
delivered to the U.S. by a variety of means—on speedboats, fishing vessels,
Boeing 747 cargo planes, container ships and tractor trailers, and even by
submarine.
The shipments reached U.S. soil in Los Angeles and were trucked to Chicago, where the Flores operation received hundreds of kilos each week. They unloaded trailers of Colombian cocaine and Mexican heroin into inconspicuous warehouses in Bedford Park and Chicago. They would split up the powder and stash it in still more warehouses in Chicago, Justice, Romeoville and Plainfield.
The shipments reached U.S. soil in Los Angeles and were trucked to Chicago, where the Flores operation received hundreds of kilos each week. They unloaded trailers of Colombian cocaine and Mexican heroin into inconspicuous warehouses in Bedford Park and Chicago. They would split up the powder and stash it in still more warehouses in Chicago, Justice, Romeoville and Plainfield.
 |
| Click on to enlarge any image |
The Flores
twins sold some of their product to middlemen who mixed and resold it to
street-level dealers throughout the city, but the FBI says the twins handled a
quantity of narcotics large enough to supply wholesalers throughout the U.S.,
presiding over a network sprawling northward to Milwaukee, westward across the
Canadian border to Vancouver, and eastward to Detroit, Cincinnati and Columbus,
reaching all the way to New York, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C.
Court filings estimate their annual income at $700 million, according to a 2009 Washington Post article; the Flores crew reportedly shrink-wrapped the cash proceeds and hid them inside condominiums and brick split-levels in Chicago, Hinsdale, Palos Hills and Plainfield registered to relatives and girlfriends with no criminal records.
Court filings estimate their annual income at $700 million, according to a 2009 Washington Post article; the Flores crew reportedly shrink-wrapped the cash proceeds and hid them inside condominiums and brick split-levels in Chicago, Hinsdale, Palos Hills and Plainfield registered to relatives and girlfriends with no criminal records.
But there weren’t enough trusted homeowners in the
network to receive so much money. The immense market share created the
necessity to launder the glut of cash in otherwise legitimate businesses,
according to sources familiar with the twins. Pedro and Margarito invested in a
barbershop in Berwyn called Millennium Cuts, which remains open, and opened a
Mexican restaurant in West Lawn called Mama’s Kitchen, which is now closed.
To get an idea of just how large the Flores operation was, one only needs to compare their $700 million estimated annual income to the total street value of all drugs seized in Chicago: $208 million worth in 2009, $139 million in 2008, $118 million in 2007, $143 million in 2006 and $235 million in 2005, according to the Chicago Police Department.
To get an idea of just how large the Flores operation was, one only needs to compare their $700 million estimated annual income to the total street value of all drugs seized in Chicago: $208 million worth in 2009, $139 million in 2008, $118 million in 2007, $143 million in 2006 and $235 million in 2005, according to the Chicago Police Department.
In any given year, drug seizures never
reached a third of the value of what the Flores crew dealt annually. After the
Flores empire was dismantled, cocaine prices surged on the streets of Chicago,
from $18,000 per kilo to $29,000 in 2009, according to the U.S. Department of
Justice.
That the Flores operation had grown so huge isn’t surprising since Chicago has one of the largest Mexican populations among all U.S. cities, says Special Agent in Charge John “Jack” Riley, head of the DEA’s Chicago Field Division. (According to the 2010 census, Chicago’s Mexican population is fourth behind Los Angeles, San Antonio and Houston.)
That the Flores operation had grown so huge isn’t surprising since Chicago has one of the largest Mexican populations among all U.S. cities, says Special Agent in Charge John “Jack” Riley, head of the DEA’s Chicago Field Division. (According to the 2010 census, Chicago’s Mexican population is fourth behind Los Angeles, San Antonio and Houston.)
“That allows Mexican drug traffickers to
blend in more, avoiding sticking out in a crowd, while also having the benefits
of more family and friends as support,” Riley says. “Family members in the
States are key to the cartels, as trust is central to the operation.”
Though the business rested on their family connections to Mexico, the Flores twins had managed to remain independent of any one cartel in the supply chain. Between 2002 and 2008, they had benefited handsomely from a power-sharing agreement in Mexico between the Sinaloa cartel and a clan of four brothers at the head of the Beltrán-Leyva crime family.
Though the business rested on their family connections to Mexico, the Flores twins had managed to remain independent of any one cartel in the supply chain. Between 2002 and 2008, they had benefited handsomely from a power-sharing agreement in Mexico between the Sinaloa cartel and a clan of four brothers at the head of the Beltrán-Leyva crime family.
After the
six-year span of peace that brought prosperity to both cartels, a feud arose
that turned to war in May 2008. At the heart of the violence was a dispute over
how the spoils from the lucrative Flores operation were to be divided. Amid an
atmosphere of mutual distrust, one of the brothers, Alfredo Beltrán-Leyva, was
arrested in Mexico.
His brothers blamed El Chapo for tipping off authorities before the arrest. Their suspicion led them to declare war against the Sinaloa cartel. The Beltrán-Leyva brothers took their vengeance in the streets of Culiacán, the state capital of Sinaloa, where escalating drug-related violence claimed the lives of 387 people, presumably some innocent, in the bloody summer of 2008.
His brothers blamed El Chapo for tipping off authorities before the arrest. Their suspicion led them to declare war against the Sinaloa cartel. The Beltrán-Leyva brothers took their vengeance in the streets of Culiacán, the state capital of Sinaloa, where escalating drug-related violence claimed the lives of 387 people, presumably some innocent, in the bloody summer of 2008.
 |
| Click any image to enlarge or view slide show |
The ethic of
violence-for-violence quickly spun out of control, endangering the lives of the
Flores family. The Flores twins chose to cooperate with U.S. law enforcement,
according to a 2011 government proffer, though the details of this plea deal
have not been made public. By 2008, the twins were relaying sensitive
information about their cartel suppliers to federal authorities.
Perhaps the most lurid piece of intel supplied by the Flores brothers involved conversations Margarito Jr. secretly recorded with the heads of the Sinaloa cartel in October 2008, some transcripts of which were released by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Chicago. Margarito Jr. was fitted with a wire during a meeting at a remote mountain compound in Sinaloa with the heads of the cartel: Vicente Zambada-Niebla, then 33; his father, Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada-Niebla; and El Chapo.
A close degree of familiarity is evident between the men on the recordings—at one point Vicente is heard affectionately calling Margarito Jr. twin—that offer a rare glimpse into the deliberations of men with a near-mythic reputation for secrecy in their affairs.
“This government is letting the gringos do whatever they want,” El Mayo is heard complaining in one conversation, referring to Mexican President Felipe Calderón and his open-door policy to U.S. law enforcement operating in Mexico.
“They are fucking us everywhere,” El Chapo concurs.
Firepower—how to obtain more of it and what to use it on—is a recurrent theme from the taped excerpts. Vicente is heard asking Margarito Jr. to obtain explosives and military-grade weapons. The men even voice a desire to “send a message” to U.S. authorities by setting off an explosion near a government building or media outlet in Mexico City. No such attack ever took place.
“Twin,” the younger Zambada-Niebla says in one recording, “you know guys coming back from the war. Find somebody who can give you big, powerful weapons, American shit.… We don’t need that small shit. I want to blow up some buildings. We got a lot of grenades, we got a lot of .50 calibers, we’re tired of AKs.” Citing these conversations, prosecutors have expressed confidence in their ability to convict Zambada-Niebla.
Zambada-Niebla, better known in the Mexican press by his nickname, El Vicentillo, which translates roughly to “Pretty Boy Vicente,” was arrested in March 2009 in a predawn raid in Mexico City by an elite team of army troops and federal agents. According to court documents, Zambada-Niebla stands accused as the logistical coordinator of drug shipments for the Sinaloa cartel.
Perhaps the most lurid piece of intel supplied by the Flores brothers involved conversations Margarito Jr. secretly recorded with the heads of the Sinaloa cartel in October 2008, some transcripts of which were released by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Chicago. Margarito Jr. was fitted with a wire during a meeting at a remote mountain compound in Sinaloa with the heads of the cartel: Vicente Zambada-Niebla, then 33; his father, Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada-Niebla; and El Chapo.
A close degree of familiarity is evident between the men on the recordings—at one point Vicente is heard affectionately calling Margarito Jr. twin—that offer a rare glimpse into the deliberations of men with a near-mythic reputation for secrecy in their affairs.
“This government is letting the gringos do whatever they want,” El Mayo is heard complaining in one conversation, referring to Mexican President Felipe Calderón and his open-door policy to U.S. law enforcement operating in Mexico.
“They are fucking us everywhere,” El Chapo concurs.
Firepower—how to obtain more of it and what to use it on—is a recurrent theme from the taped excerpts. Vicente is heard asking Margarito Jr. to obtain explosives and military-grade weapons. The men even voice a desire to “send a message” to U.S. authorities by setting off an explosion near a government building or media outlet in Mexico City. No such attack ever took place.
“Twin,” the younger Zambada-Niebla says in one recording, “you know guys coming back from the war. Find somebody who can give you big, powerful weapons, American shit.… We don’t need that small shit. I want to blow up some buildings. We got a lot of grenades, we got a lot of .50 calibers, we’re tired of AKs.” Citing these conversations, prosecutors have expressed confidence in their ability to convict Zambada-Niebla.
Zambada-Niebla, better known in the Mexican press by his nickname, El Vicentillo, which translates roughly to “Pretty Boy Vicente,” was arrested in March 2009 in a predawn raid in Mexico City by an elite team of army troops and federal agents. According to court documents, Zambada-Niebla stands accused as the logistical coordinator of drug shipments for the Sinaloa cartel.
On the day
El Vicentillo was paraded before television cameras in handcuffs by the Mexican
Army, he sported a stylish haircut, a navy blue corduroy blazer, dark jeans and
a striped button-down shirt open at the collar. The man whom the Mexican joint
chiefs of staff condemned as the leader of death squads in the Sinaloa cartel’s
war with the Beltrán-Leyva family looked more like a Latin Grammy nominee than
a captured criminal.
Vicente Zambada-Niebla caught the attention of the Latin American press corps last March when he entered a plea of not guilty by reason of a pre-existing immunity agreement with the DEA. The two-pronged defense argued immunity and “public authority,” a specific kind of immunity that claims he acted under the auspices of the U.S. government. Zambada-Niebla asserts that U.S. law enforcement gave him carte blanche to coordinate the cartel’s smuggling operations into Chicago and throughout the U.S. and permitted the remittance of billions of dollars in cash back to Mexico.
Vicente Zambada-Niebla caught the attention of the Latin American press corps last March when he entered a plea of not guilty by reason of a pre-existing immunity agreement with the DEA. The two-pronged defense argued immunity and “public authority,” a specific kind of immunity that claims he acted under the auspices of the U.S. government. Zambada-Niebla asserts that U.S. law enforcement gave him carte blanche to coordinate the cartel’s smuggling operations into Chicago and throughout the U.S. and permitted the remittance of billions of dollars in cash back to Mexico.
He further alleges that the U.S.
was complicit in arming the Sinaloa cartel with semiautomatic weapons, which it
used to wage war on its foes.
Indeed, the circumstances of Zambada-Niebla’s arrest raised eyebrows in Mexico. A mere five hours prior to the raid on his safe house, Zambada-Niebla had met with two special agents from the DEA in an upscale Mexico City hotel located across the street from the U.S. Embassy, according to court documents filed last year by both the prosecution and the defense. Zambada-Niebla attended the DEA meeting with Humberto Loya-Castro, a lawyer and adviser to the Sinaloa cartel. The defense argues that Loya-Castro had agreed to serve as an intermediary in the DEA’s communications with the cartel.
Nevertheless, then-U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, who stepped down in June, dismissed Zambada-Niebla’s claims. “Contrary to [the] defendant’s claim, no immunity was conferred upon him… Nor was any immunity conferred upon Loya-Castro,” Fitzgerald declared in documents filed last September with the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
Still, Henning is skeptical of Zambada-Niebla’s chances in court. “It’s not an easy defense to make out,” he says. “It just can’t be his word against what the government says. A lot of times [when] these defenses are raised, they are not raised successfully."
Indeed, the circumstances of Zambada-Niebla’s arrest raised eyebrows in Mexico. A mere five hours prior to the raid on his safe house, Zambada-Niebla had met with two special agents from the DEA in an upscale Mexico City hotel located across the street from the U.S. Embassy, according to court documents filed last year by both the prosecution and the defense. Zambada-Niebla attended the DEA meeting with Humberto Loya-Castro, a lawyer and adviser to the Sinaloa cartel. The defense argues that Loya-Castro had agreed to serve as an intermediary in the DEA’s communications with the cartel.
Nevertheless, then-U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, who stepped down in June, dismissed Zambada-Niebla’s claims. “Contrary to [the] defendant’s claim, no immunity was conferred upon him… Nor was any immunity conferred upon Loya-Castro,” Fitzgerald declared in documents filed last September with the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
Still, Henning is skeptical of Zambada-Niebla’s chances in court. “It’s not an easy defense to make out,” he says. “It just can’t be his word against what the government says. A lot of times [when] these defenses are raised, they are not raised successfully."
Other experts find more credibility in the defense’s claims that their drug
trafficking enjoyed tacit official approval.
Luis Astorga, a research professor
at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, says “the nature of the drug
war is such that it is impossible to focus on combating all of the cartels at
the same time, so those of us who have been researching this issue have long
known that the Sinaloa cartel was not one of the highest priorities of the [Mexican]
government. This does indeed contrast with the actual output of its production
and its power. This is not at all a convenient case for the U.S. government to
try and undoubtedly is quite uncomfortable.”
Security during the Zambada-Niebla trial will be extremely tight, as the
Sinaloa cartel has a reputation for pulling off prison breaks (Chapo Guzmán was
trundled out of jail in a laundry cart). Prison officials suspected the cartel
of having the money and influence to arrange a similarly dramatic escape in
Chicago for Zambada-Niebla.
As a result, for seven months Zambada-Niebla was kept in solitary confinement at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, a 27-story federal prison located in Chicago’s Financial District. He was deprived of daylight and nearly any interaction, with no one below the rank of lieutenant permitted to speak within earshot, says a lawyer familiar with the case. His meals were slid on a tin plate through a slot in the door to his six-by-eight-foot cell, the lawyer says.
In September 2011, Judge Castillo heard a request from the defense that Zambada-Niebla be allowed daily outdoor exercise. The prosecutor responded by reading a letter to the court from MCC’s warden, Catherine Linaweaver, warning that permitting Vicentillo access to the prison’s recreational area on the 27th-floor rooftop might invite an attack—or even a dramatic prison escape straight out of a Hollywood thriller. But Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Shakeshaft eventually relented. “Mr. Zambada-Niebla will be moved to another institution,” he told the judge.
Zambada-Niebla, his head now shaved and skin tightly drawn against his cheekbones, was transferred in October to a federal prison in Milan, Michigan. But his lawyers claim the conditions in prison have actually worsened, with new restrictions placed on his ability to see visitors and to receive his mail on time. The location of the prison, nearly five hours from Chicago, has brought accusations from the defense that the government is hampering his lawyers’ ability to communicate with their client.
The breaks the Flores twins have received for cooperating with the government have made for contentious courtroom exchanges between the government prosecutors and the defense team, who have been filing competing motions dating back to July 2011. At the heart of the issue is the fight for government documents revealing communication between federal agents and cartel members, and the 32-year-old Classified Information Procedures Act the prosecution has cited in denying the release of the overwhelming bulk of these documents.
Alvin Michaelson, a lawyer for the defense, complained at a pretrial hearing last December that the government was withholding information that impugned the credibility of the Flores twins as witnesses. “We know that there are witnesses that have been interviewed here in the Chicago area who…talk about the reputation of the Flores brothers as murderers, as thieves, liars,” Michaelson said before Judge Castillo.
"No one trusts the Flores brothers, no one, and…those
are the two key witnesses in this case. We believe, we know, we’ve heard that
the government gave enormous benefits to the Flores brothers’ families,
friends, including the ability to keep their ill-gotten gains while they were
working with the government; that agents here in Chicago perhaps…knew about the
situation.
“Look,” Michaelson observed in court, “no one in the Flores family, there were many of them involved in the organization, they have not been charged with any crimes. We want to know the evidence as to why they were not charged with these crimes.”
Judge Castillo refused to comment on Michaelson’s assertions, brushing off the lawyer’s statements as hubris. “I don’t know if that [grandstanding] is for the media or someone else,” Castillo said.
“No, that’s for Your Honor,” Michaelson replied.
The DEA uprooted the Flores empire in a coast-to-coast raid on August 20, 2009. Fitzgerald referred to the indictment that followed as “the most significant drug importation conspiracy ever charged in Chicago.”
The twins went quietly. They remain in U.S. custody, though their exact location is a secret. Sources close to the case tell TOC they are being held in a Wisconsin prison, a state in which they own property and were previously indicted.
Mum’s the word for law enforcement at all levels where the twins are concerned. The U.S. Attorney’s office is withholding the details of its cooperation agreement. A police officer in the Chicago narcotics unit, reached on the phone, snickered at the mere mention of the twins’ names, then went silent. Not even Riley, the DEA’s Chicago director, will talk.
The Flores twins may be important enough to the government’s case against Zambada-Niebla for the record of their once-vast criminal empire to be expunged. But by the end of what stands to be a long and drawn-out trial, what will likely prove most important is what sensitive details are revealed about the true nature of the relationship that federal agencies had with Zambada-Niebla and the Sinaloa cartel.
Did the U.S. allow tons of illegal narcotics into its borders, as Zambada-Niebla asserts? His testimony versus the Flores twins will ultimately decide the outcome of the most important narco case to grace a Chicago federal courthouse in decades.
As a result, for seven months Zambada-Niebla was kept in solitary confinement at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, a 27-story federal prison located in Chicago’s Financial District. He was deprived of daylight and nearly any interaction, with no one below the rank of lieutenant permitted to speak within earshot, says a lawyer familiar with the case. His meals were slid on a tin plate through a slot in the door to his six-by-eight-foot cell, the lawyer says.
In September 2011, Judge Castillo heard a request from the defense that Zambada-Niebla be allowed daily outdoor exercise. The prosecutor responded by reading a letter to the court from MCC’s warden, Catherine Linaweaver, warning that permitting Vicentillo access to the prison’s recreational area on the 27th-floor rooftop might invite an attack—or even a dramatic prison escape straight out of a Hollywood thriller. But Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Shakeshaft eventually relented. “Mr. Zambada-Niebla will be moved to another institution,” he told the judge.
Zambada-Niebla, his head now shaved and skin tightly drawn against his cheekbones, was transferred in October to a federal prison in Milan, Michigan. But his lawyers claim the conditions in prison have actually worsened, with new restrictions placed on his ability to see visitors and to receive his mail on time. The location of the prison, nearly five hours from Chicago, has brought accusations from the defense that the government is hampering his lawyers’ ability to communicate with their client.
The breaks the Flores twins have received for cooperating with the government have made for contentious courtroom exchanges between the government prosecutors and the defense team, who have been filing competing motions dating back to July 2011. At the heart of the issue is the fight for government documents revealing communication between federal agents and cartel members, and the 32-year-old Classified Information Procedures Act the prosecution has cited in denying the release of the overwhelming bulk of these documents.
Alvin Michaelson, a lawyer for the defense, complained at a pretrial hearing last December that the government was withholding information that impugned the credibility of the Flores twins as witnesses. “We know that there are witnesses that have been interviewed here in the Chicago area who…talk about the reputation of the Flores brothers as murderers, as thieves, liars,” Michaelson said before Judge Castillo.
 |
| Click on image to enlarge (google map editing by Chivis) |
“Look,” Michaelson observed in court, “no one in the Flores family, there were many of them involved in the organization, they have not been charged with any crimes. We want to know the evidence as to why they were not charged with these crimes.”
Judge Castillo refused to comment on Michaelson’s assertions, brushing off the lawyer’s statements as hubris. “I don’t know if that [grandstanding] is for the media or someone else,” Castillo said.
“No, that’s for Your Honor,” Michaelson replied.
The DEA uprooted the Flores empire in a coast-to-coast raid on August 20, 2009. Fitzgerald referred to the indictment that followed as “the most significant drug importation conspiracy ever charged in Chicago.”
The twins went quietly. They remain in U.S. custody, though their exact location is a secret. Sources close to the case tell TOC they are being held in a Wisconsin prison, a state in which they own property and were previously indicted.
Mum’s the word for law enforcement at all levels where the twins are concerned. The U.S. Attorney’s office is withholding the details of its cooperation agreement. A police officer in the Chicago narcotics unit, reached on the phone, snickered at the mere mention of the twins’ names, then went silent. Not even Riley, the DEA’s Chicago director, will talk.
The Flores twins may be important enough to the government’s case against Zambada-Niebla for the record of their once-vast criminal empire to be expunged. But by the end of what stands to be a long and drawn-out trial, what will likely prove most important is what sensitive details are revealed about the true nature of the relationship that federal agencies had with Zambada-Niebla and the Sinaloa cartel.
Did the U.S. allow tons of illegal narcotics into its borders, as Zambada-Niebla asserts? His testimony versus the Flores twins will ultimately decide the outcome of the most important narco case to grace a Chicago federal courthouse in decades.
Added Information from Windy City Kid BB Forum:
How they started in the game?The twins fell into the 2nd generation of distributors in US which is anyone born between 1969 - 1982. Many reporters stated on how it is unthinkable that the capos consider them "gatekeepers" at the age of 25. How did they gain the trust?
1st they were schooled by their father and uncles in Mex, Margarito Sr was a trusted associate of the pacific cartel in chicago late 70s early 80s. Sr had strong ties back home, the twins also had an older brother that was involved in the business through the mid 90s. they were involved at a young age starting around 98.
The older brother & one of the twins "Pedro" had gang ties, The twins were probably introduced to their connect & which point they start moving weight to their own clients. From 1998- 2004 or 2005 they primarily dealt through a person here in Chicago working for Maunel " la puerca" who was under the BLO banner but still a part of the cartel del Pacifico. During this time Pedro was still considered a mid level distributor moving any where from 100-250 a month, in milwaukee they had trouble with one of their clients & in 2002 Pedro was kidnapped & held for ransom of 150 kilos + cash.
How they ended in Mexico?In late 2003 they fled to Mex after being indicted in Milwaukee; even more set backs here in Chi around 2004-05 when a load of 300 kilos was stolen from one of their workers. Like many individuals in the business when you lose a large load they have to answer directly to someone higher then who they were dealing with directly.
This was around the time they had a sit down with the higher ups in the pacific cartel & with the twins now living in mex it was easier for folks to accept them. They had their cards pulled by mid level management and were being dealt a bad hand, in other words they wanted a better price in order to pay back all their loses.
The twins opened up their books to Vincetillo and the rest present to show how much weight they moved for the group between 1999-2004. They desired to take on more responsibility but Vince did not trust them 100% at this time they were not receiving the loads directly and; unloading them in the Chi.
Their crew had truck drivers, that would travel to Cali for loads of 1/4 to 1/2 ton loads bi-monthly. It was not until 2005 that Vince people in charge of transport to Chicago lost a load and; the whole crew.
That's when el Pacifico gave the twins the go ahead to be in charge of recieving larger loads 1000-1500 kilos, plus they had the workers in place and storage warehouses in place to pick up after that other crew was busted. So now their crew had the responsibility to safely recieve and unload the goods in chicago area.
How they moved up in the food chain?In 05 to 06 A number of trusted mid level distribution networks were busted, individuals working under the Pacifico umbrella (nacho and;valencias) group took heavy hits.
So a number of their clients went looking else were for work, who were buying 100 at a time turned to the twins. One can call this downsizing of middle management and higher profits for the capos, the price of coke shot up to 20k and; stayed there for all mid level traffickers in the states.
One has to question the claims of the gov that it was a consist shipments of 1-2 tons a month. But looking at the supply and demand and; the fewer options the capos had to moving loads in the chi and midwest it seems possible...
1st they were schooled by their father and uncles in Mex, Margarito Sr was a trusted associate of the pacific cartel in chicago late 70s early 80s. Sr had strong ties back home, the twins also had an older brother that was involved in the business through the mid 90s. they were involved at a young age starting around 98.
The older brother & one of the twins "Pedro" had gang ties, The twins were probably introduced to their connect & which point they start moving weight to their own clients. From 1998- 2004 or 2005 they primarily dealt through a person here in Chicago working for Maunel " la puerca" who was under the BLO banner but still a part of the cartel del Pacifico. During this time Pedro was still considered a mid level distributor moving any where from 100-250 a month, in milwaukee they had trouble with one of their clients & in 2002 Pedro was kidnapped & held for ransom of 150 kilos + cash.
How they ended in Mexico?In late 2003 they fled to Mex after being indicted in Milwaukee; even more set backs here in Chi around 2004-05 when a load of 300 kilos was stolen from one of their workers. Like many individuals in the business when you lose a large load they have to answer directly to someone higher then who they were dealing with directly.
This was around the time they had a sit down with the higher ups in the pacific cartel & with the twins now living in mex it was easier for folks to accept them. They had their cards pulled by mid level management and were being dealt a bad hand, in other words they wanted a better price in order to pay back all their loses.
The twins opened up their books to Vincetillo and the rest present to show how much weight they moved for the group between 1999-2004. They desired to take on more responsibility but Vince did not trust them 100% at this time they were not receiving the loads directly and; unloading them in the Chi.
Their crew had truck drivers, that would travel to Cali for loads of 1/4 to 1/2 ton loads bi-monthly. It was not until 2005 that Vince people in charge of transport to Chicago lost a load and; the whole crew.
That's when el Pacifico gave the twins the go ahead to be in charge of recieving larger loads 1000-1500 kilos, plus they had the workers in place and storage warehouses in place to pick up after that other crew was busted. So now their crew had the responsibility to safely recieve and unload the goods in chicago area.
How they moved up in the food chain?In 05 to 06 A number of trusted mid level distribution networks were busted, individuals working under the Pacifico umbrella (nacho and;valencias) group took heavy hits.
So a number of their clients went looking else were for work, who were buying 100 at a time turned to the twins. One can call this downsizing of middle management and higher profits for the capos, the price of coke shot up to 20k and; stayed there for all mid level traffickers in the states.
One has to question the claims of the gov that it was a consist shipments of 1-2 tons a month. But looking at the supply and demand and; the fewer options the capos had to moving loads in the chi and midwest it seems possible...
Material from Chicago times, Sun and Timeout
SINALOA TIERRA DE PONE DEDOS.. BIG BAD SINALOAS ARE ALL SNITCHES.. Good article by the way props...
ReplyDeleteNo son de sinaloa son de jalpa zacatecas pendejos
DeleteDe jalpa Zacatecas hijos de don Margarito Flores publiquen cosas ciertas
DeleteGreat story,Chicago will always be crooked.The story never changes.What pisses me off,is that the Flores family kept most of the money!!!!! Chicago can't even pay their teachers....take their Money.IRS or ?
ReplyDeleteBadass read..... thanks BB..... I know I come here for something!
ReplyDeleteM
Great article - Very compelling at best. Thank you for posting this . . .
ReplyDeleteThe DEA-CIA is the evil entity and will continue to operate "cloak & dagger" style with their covert operations in Mexico while citizens (innocents & sicarios) are kidnapped, extorted, beheaded, murdered . . .
You are correct. Read the book called the Dark Alliance written by Gary Webb.
DeleteInterestin.. The snitch got snitched on lol
ReplyDeleteDid you call El Vicentillo a snitch?
DeleteThe ugly flores family are still billionares from blood stained coke money in dirty Chicago while the police force has cut back on its budget 15% and public education is in the gutter. Obama is from Chicago, him and Rahm Emanuel profited from the Flores family. That is why they drive around town in Bentleys untouched. What a sick country we live in.
ReplyDeleteyou sound so fuckin stuid .im so sure obama profited from the actions of the cartel and flores twins.
DeleteKeep the updates on this story coming please!
ReplyDeleteIm from chi town I hope the flores twins get whats coming to em bunch of snitches they lose a load and let the other clowns that took their shit get a way with it man sinaloa snoozed with these clowns setting them up no matter what there's always going to be a bounty on those heads what ever happens to vicentillo the twins will be dead men walking yeah they were makin money but they were punks. Chi- town west side
ReplyDeleteYour grammar is horrible.
DeleteI agree with 11:24pm and may I add, you appear to be part of the problem. WTF are you saying anyway? You are a pitiful representative of Chicago. Whatever drug your on, get help. Thanks BB for putting out great info.and for having to deal with complete idiots.
DeleteYou don't have to be a dick everyday of your life you know
DeleteBut you do need to be perfect!
DeleteEveryones a snitch when the shit hits the fan
ReplyDelete8.49 pm I sense on reading your post that u might be a little jealous of those idiot twins.
DeleteThe American goverment and Mexican government are crooks who need drug traffickers to survive themselves... My opinion put a bullet in the forhead of the flores twins and vicentillo zambada... So the rest of the mexican cartel bosses can see, that judgement day will come to all.. Isn't this how Obama came into politics cause of the drug bosses, who backed him up????
ReplyDeleteObama was elected into office and re-elected because of the prevailing scores of worthless welfare recipients who are unable to work but demand freedoms like "bigger soft drinks" at fast good joints. Stop blaming the U.S of corruption and be thankful that they support your lazy ass along with the withering habits you're unable to support on a daily basis.. They may aid in supplying drugs because the flow can never be stopped as long as you sit there waiting for the 1st of the month so you can blow it on some sort of contraband whether it be a hard, soft or legal substance. Clean yourself up before you bad mouth your country or Mexicans again, you lame fuck
Delete2:00 Lmfao! Amen and God Bless America
DeletePuro chapito guzman.. Hopefully he will get those twin brothers. They deserve it
ReplyDeletePuro chapito guzman? Haha que imbesil
Delete"Puro chapito guzman".. get off this punks nuts.. when they kill him or captured him, big party going down.. I hope they captured him tho, so the goverment doesn't get all confused.. HUUUUUH IS IT THE REAL BODY OR NOT???
DeletePeople, acting like they know this fool (chapo) , if he was to come across your dad or brother or son or who ever , on a bad thought and stick them in a steel barrel of gas and burn them and call them"giso" or hire a doctor to inject them with adrenaline to keep them alive longer thru torrid interrogation and you could still say "puro chapito " more power to you , pendejo .
DeletePuro chapito guzman.. Damn americans are the ones who want drugs.. can't blame him for trying to make money. That's what's it all about.. Or am I wrong
ReplyDeleteSo if an individual needs to be killed, raped, or their need for drugs must be met at their expense then you justify this behavior? You are an animal. You're probably not a productive member of society.
DeleteCan't blame Z40 too. Fuck you And Chapo.
DeleteDamn twins family if it wasent for there dad they wouldn't be crap.. They lucky. Mejor que Los chingen all the twins family so they won't open there mouth no more.. Al million con los del chapo
ReplyDeleteAnother chapo nut sucker.. Pathethic
Delete9:46 continue to snore ur coke and listen to ur dumbass corridos.. " al million con los del Chapo" get the Fuck out of here.. what a joke
DeleteThis was so interesting and well written. Thank you Chivis for your hard work. Can't their assets be confiscated?
ReplyDeletesome guy in Chicago says this is way off.....I love my country knowing everything even though I haven't
ReplyDeletebeen in the game for 5 years....LOL
by the way...those are the wrong twins you stupid bitches!!!!...remember what this quiet guy said!
ReplyDeleteThen enlighten everybody with who the REAL twins are....since u seem to know something no one else does
DeleteLet me guess are they the twins from Breaking Bad??? Hahahaha. Attn P@RR@ND3RO
DeleteTime to take em out.
ReplyDeleteHey does anyone know if it is true that El Chapo is Bi-Sexual?
ReplyDeleteI hear a rumor that he had some kind of relationship while he was in prison with one of his Body Guards.
Let me know if this is true, I was told it is common knowledge, but never heard it before?
Why cause if he is u want his *****??
DeleteIt was rumored that it was a guard a FEMALE guard u retard. Are u retarded. The Don has many children and only serves time in jail for the sake of appearances. That's one don they won't capture . Ever. The fkn DEA works with these people. They are all in the same boat.... It's a fukkin theater for us the PUBLIC. Today it's the twins tomorrow its Sammy GRAVANO meanwhile the fkn GOVTS are allowing this shit to flourish in America
DeletePuro carrillo fuentes ahi no ponen dedo fierro fierro primo
ReplyDeletehow did they betray Chapo,Chapo got there father murdered....paybacks a bitch,hope chapo gets caught slimey dog he is.
ReplyDelete"Hey does anyone know if it is true that El Chapo is Bi-Sexual?
ReplyDeleteI hear a rumor that he had some kind of relationship while he was in prison with one of his Body Guards." it was a female guard u punk.
Race:white......why the fuck would they put their race is white just because they're light-Skinned Mexicans that's retarded
ReplyDeleteI have followed this case since the story broke. In my humble opinion this is another "Fast and Furious". It is appalling what the govt.gets away with in this country. The more I read about this story, the sicker I get. Of course I am against drug traffickers. But, given the amount of documents the govt.wants sealed and or reacted, I smell a rat. Hopefully the truth will come out, whether the govt.allowed massive amounts of drugs to hit the streets or not. I'm not holding my breath though. What a freaking mess. Thanks BB for a clearer view of this fiasco, little has been written about the twins in the US. NO SURPRISE THERE!!!
ReplyDeleteThis is nothing new same story like that of Ricky Ross he was getting his coke from a CIA informant helping the crack epidemic and the war with the contras and at the end hes the only person to do jail time for a government run operation.. The only truth is that the dea was letting all those drugs to come in while vicentillo was doing his part and snitching but someone decided his time was up and well now he's in jail FYI in the US this is not the first time Sammy the bull was doing his drug business all while being an informant also the Irishman who stepped up to the Italian mob ran his business and crimes while being an informant
DeleteNo shit you guys are geniuses... wait... no you aren't. Hahaha. Thanks pointing out the obvious.
DeleteThey should legalize drugs . Let people enjoy their experience and lives on earth . If they ain't harming no one or a danger to society let them live.
DeleteSinaloa Cartel leaders should join politics as they are famous for snitching and one day Mexico might have El Chapo as President.
ReplyDelete@1122 wrong twins? When u pull up the flores twins on net, dats who they show? 3>0)!8"
ReplyDeleteThe numbers they are saying are always grossly inflated,isn't this the same wire and phone calls where you hear Guzman guaranteeing the quality of 2 keys or so of heroin?Why would Guzman be discussing amounts like that?If you listen to authority's,no doubt they were the biggest importers ever in the history of the world?The DEA angle?We will have to see,could just be defense bullshit,but we will see?
ReplyDeleteI bet there are people who knew these brothers personally,and they will be laughing their asses off at the amounts and loads that are being talked about.Authority's always lets say"be imaginative"in their accounts of numbers and volumes of weight?
Just have to wait and see about the rest,the wiretap conversations are interesting,the transcripts.Good story
Why did Fitzgerald step down?
ReplyDeleteNext Eric Holder due up in court.. Haha.. yeah that would be nice to see crooked politicians on trial.. I m against cartels ,but there just like politicians ,except they don't have a title that says so..if everything Vicentillo says is true, good for him for speaking against the US goverment.. all the US is gonna do is point the finger " well Mexico did it first".. and the twins made crazy money, but look at them now there snitching to stay alive..
ReplyDelete9:43 I'm with you on Eric Holder. Our top cop has lied under oath repeatedly and then he says he was wrong. If the top cop can b.s. anytime he wants.... it's a major problem. My hope is he steps down and goes back to where he came from. As for his ever getting nailed for lying to congress, it will happen when hell freezes over. Just saying...
DeleteI been saying the CIA is behind all of this!!!!!! Everyone now knows that!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletemargarito jr aka la firma "Los Mazerati"
ReplyDeleteObamaNation:
Los Maserati are from Jalisco, not sinaloas
DeleteGreat article chivis, can't wait for the outcome on vicentillo's trial, sounds like he could get charged not only with trafficking massive loads of coke but also conspiracy to attack US embassies/officials, the flores probably already knew about it even before the wired meeting took place, they where only looking for that hard evidence in order to snitch effectively and save their asses with the feds, i'm sure after this the US took no chances and gave mexican officials the ultimatum to deliver vicentillo. ROKO
ReplyDeleteStill hating on the Sinaloa cartel shine butt hurt ass people
ReplyDeletethose twins are snitches from zacatecas
ReplyDeleteCan't u read,u retard.They're from Sinaloa pendejo.
DeleteJust like you spilling the beans. Lol
DeleteThere from jalpa Zacatecas pendejos.
DeleteAll there family is in Guadalajara but there parents are from zacatecas.
How do you know that ?
DeleteThe correct translation for Vicentillo is "Litle Vicente", not "Pretty Boy Vicente" whoever is translating this stuff, doesn't knows shit! Whenever one usese the ending term "illo" it means litle to whatever name is ahead of this term. (Lupillo, Javiercillo, Severillo, Andresillo, etc.)
ReplyDeleteWhat about armadillo?...jerkoff!!!!
DeleteAre you a journalist? I ask because you're correcting others' translations on a small and really unimportant detail regarding vicentillo's alias and you're spelling is far worse than their translation. What can you gain from being snobby or vulgar man? Stop the hate
DeleteAnd u got to make a big deal about it? Déjate de mamadas ,si vas a criticar hazlo constructivamente ,y déjate de fijarte en chingaderas. Chivis your work is greatly apreciado,.: un pinche,fan.
DeleteRats. All of them. Amazing that they will kill someone for talking, yet they will chit chat up a storm when they get caught. I guess there is no honer in the business of being an asshole.
ReplyDeletefirst and for most...Chapo Guzman is bi-sexsual but he is one crazy muthephuker if you got a hot bitch he will snatch from you in a hearth beat.. if your a good looking man he would ask you to work for him you know the rest...if your a member of the sinaloa cartel 3 things that will give you 1. your accent they sound like people from central america 2.you invest all your money in jewelry and wear it. 3.snitches get stiches...
ReplyDeleteNo way these guys got this big without help from the government. The government was " assisting " or turning the " blind eye " to all these drugs hitting the streets for these compas to rise the ladder in CDS.
ReplyDeleteI also think it has affected more Mayo then Chapo, since it was " El Nino " who was popped and kind of oversaw this operation.
Could of been a conjunction move by Chapo and Mayo and associados but to say Chapo was betrayed more then Mayo is subject to opinion us " peons " don't know.
Saludos,
im from chicago and never heard this lived there.for 11 years never heard it the only thing i know vicente maybe in chicago but no 1 is sure now i think he got transfer im not sure where.the other thing i know for sure chicago cops r the biggest crooks in the country and they dnt do ther job so all this is a big""?"
ReplyDeleteIf u never heard this before,then crawl back to the rock you crawled from and stop posting on this blog,because I think everyone on here's heard about this.
DeleteStop with the "crawling back to rocks bullshit"... white people say that.
DeleteI am white,ESTUPIDO!! but of Mexican nationality,you birdbrain!!!
DeleteIt's sickning how the C.I.A,D.E.A,and The Calderon Atministration are behind all this mess, that's happening in mexico. there the ones responssible for all the 60,ooo people that been murder ever since crooked calderon took office.
ReplyDeleteToo much cash flowing around to stop it...
Delete"The American goverment and Mexican government are crooks who need drug traffickers to survive themselves... My opinion put a bullet in the forhead of the flores twins and vicentillo zambada... So the rest of the mexican cartel bosses can see, that judgement day will come to all.. Isn't this how Obama came into politics cause of the drug bosses, who backed him up????"
ReplyDeleteay buddy you meant put a bullet into most of the crooked american and mexican governments heads.
"THE TWINS THAT BETRAYED CHAPO".. I like this article it was really good work.. but now make one that reads out" ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CHAPO HAS BETRAYED". where to start...
ReplyDeleteGustavo Sandoval..
ReplyDeleteDon't you get tired from nit picking all your life?
Look at the source genius it was written in ENGLISH and appeared in the Chicago Time out publication. So you can write to them about their translation.
What happened here is I saw the article in two Mexican publication. I spent hours on the translation to English, having a very difficult time because of the lousy English to SPanish version, and they did not give credits to the US publication. Then Windy Kid told me it was really a Time Out article and it is in English.
Hey 2:01 Well Windy Kids is from Chicago and I think I trust what he says.
"The correct translation for Vicentillo is "Litle Vicente", not "Pretty Boy Vicente"
ReplyDeleteWho gives a fuck whats the exact translation genius?
Most of us get it,most can work it out in Spanish.
So what is the point of writing your shit,what about the story?You help them translate if you are so good at it...People they are doing this for our benefit,story,translation,everything,so stop fuckin complaining.Grown ass men whining like this?
"whoever is translating this stuff, doesn't knows shit"
ReplyDeleteThey never professed to know everything?
Do you know everything?
I know your an asshole.
Hahaha you are one stupid for real.Chapo has been in power for over 30 years do the math idiot that's 5 presidents and he still going hard?
ReplyDeleteEl Senor is the big dog in the yard and will always be the big dog he is always about his paper.
CDG are mugs and Zetaz are dirty and everyone knows this.El Senor is someone to be admired like it or not,surviving all this time he must be treated with some kind of respect?
Peace Baggy~
Don't be copying my shit. Attn. P@RRAND3RO
DeleteYes Chapo is bi-sexual,there really isnt anything wrong with being bi-sexual like Chapo guzman, he first noticed something funny when he was 7yr old, so the story goes,he got a hard on over his uncle bending over on the farm picking weeds from the tomato patch,being bi-sexual like chapo guzman has its positives especially when you get incarcerated for long lengths of time,you can jump over the fence or pitch for the other team 0r go for a walk down the old dirt track just like Chapo does when there is no women about...yes he is BI-SEXUAL=CHAPO GUZMAN.
ReplyDeleteAbout the twins being called "white" that is what is on our birth certificates. I would rather see Mexican myself. My brother was deemed "Mexican" 5 years later I was born and by then it had changed.
ReplyDeleteThe question about the assetts ...yes they can all be confiscated but it appears they cut a deal allowing them to keep the bulk of it, that is the allegation anyway.
I am going to add some info that is pretty interesting later....
@ at the poster who said it's retarded to use the word "white" for the twins race:
ReplyDelete"Mexican" is not a race but a nationality. A persons racial features are based on phenotypic qualities and are only skin deep and you should never take serious the way certain countries classify people. You should look at how biologist use the word.
-Junius
El Vicentillo, which translates roughly to “Pretty Boy Vicente,” - Vicentillo means "little vicente"
ReplyDeletemi cuate is a term like someone would call bro to his good freind not twin.
pics are from Paul D'amato
Paul D’Amato has the above photographs in the Presumed Innonece exhibition. It’s from his series entitled Barrio, photographs made between 1988 and 2002 in Pilsen, Chicago’s largest Mexican neighborhood, and the neighboring Little Village.
Cuate in proper spanish is twin you dumb fuck...slang bro or homie 'cuate' came later as a result.
Delete700 million / year!! These guys shouldve retired in a island somewere a long time ago.
ReplyDeleteGreat article Chivas, Love your translating and your great reporting, spot on as usual!! As for "Gustavo Sandoval" berating the translation don't feel bad, he can not even put a sentence together in correct order. Don't you love how they try and find something with everything you write? They never add to the discussion with any intelligent words only to find fault with "translation" Typical computer warrior who has no life, brings nothing to the table that has value. You are too good of a person to let these types get you down or even have to explain yourself to them. This board brings the news to us in a very unique way and his type belong on the "other" sites.
ReplyDeleteBTW Windy City kid is correct on his pricing and they where responsible for filling the void when others fell..Mago was an Almighty Ambrose at one point but he never had the heart as they call it in the streets to bang..My personal opinion is that he didnt need that shit and was too smart for it anyways.
ReplyDeleteYeezzie
Tell those suckers CHIVIS. Pinche Harvard grad linguist scholar. Just looking to woof on shit. You do a good job Chivis. Keep up the good work!
ReplyDelete@ the first comment Sinaloa is the most envied state everyone envy's Sinaloa keep barking we are passing by.
ReplyDeleteYou are soooo right. I wanna be a sinaloan. I wish i wish i wish. I wanna be just like chapo too. I want to sell drugs never have an honest job always watch my back.ect.ect. Fierro plebes puro culichi
DeleteJalisco #1! Los altos de jalisco
DeleteNo one envies Sinaloa.. Sinaloa have the biggest mouth .. if theyre not in a pack or with a gun , they buckle like a scared dog.. I know because I had experience with them.. there also real quick to point the finger .. like I said the ones I've been around that's how they act.. I'm not saying EVERYONE from Sinaloa its that way...
ReplyDeletethanks for the support...paz, chivis
ReplyDeleteFirst of all the only one with he big mouth here is you....I don't see the Sinaloans ever talking on here.... where is all the proof Chapo snitched? You guys are quick to say he snitches but you never prove anything...you guys just read a few comments watch a few videos listen to corridos of the beltran and eat the lies
ReplyDeleteSinaloans always yap on here..
DeleteYou do envy Sinaloa Sinaloa is great and the people aren't cowards like your "experience" in Sinaloa people do fight and not like you say they are packing guns my dad is from Badriguato and in the sierra if a man stares at you he is calling you out eiher you fight him or you are considered a coward ......no guns you read to much bs....time to get out the cave and met a real sinaloense
ReplyDeleteBadiraguato..
DeleteDonde se dan los hombres...
Pero unos con otros jajaja pinches puñales
@3:29 your dad is from there right?
DeleteLike I said haters why do you gotta hate on the mans shine there doing something for themselves even if what they do is stupid there still leaving history hear so quit hating I don't back up no cartel or a fan boy of none but at least there rising up in arms cuz they know how fucked up the goverment is they didn't give them any help when they didn't have shit to eat and dying from hunger so they made something for themselves so they could eat oh well don't be mad cuz ure names ain't mentioned on tv's books newspapers etc etc oh well they do what they gotta do.
ReplyDeleteYou are an idiot, sir!
DeleteI think that if chapo was guarnateeing the quality of 2 kilo herion then that was the sample . he was trying to get tthem move more of it and so was saying that this is how good the product is, dont take my word tho here is a sample see for yourself, becuase profit is bigger on herion then cocaine
ReplyDeleteMost people on dis blog are cheerleaders, and most of them dnt know how mexico and politics works! How. Can u defend worthless pieces of shit, who dnt do nothing but ruin peoples lives and ruin their homeland? People say chapo has talent, i say ur ignorant, to get contacts, wheather political or others all u need is money!! Keeping those contacts is a matter of them profiting from how ever u employ them!!! People make it seem like drug dealing is super hard and only the smartest individuals can do it, i say ur wrong!! Cheerleaders need to go back to school and get a real education and quit listening to corridos, da drug life is a failed life!!
ReplyDeleteBehind every successful person there's a pack of haters even though it hurts you Sinaloenses will allways be the top of the food chain....michoacanos cagados
ReplyDeleteYes,be very proud of the tackiness of u guys.You're right,top of the food chain for that crap u guys do,butu don't really hear about successfull & educated sinaloas...Pinche pendejo,I guarantee most pendejo sinaloense narco don't last more than 35 yrs old
Delete@4pm......oh really?....instead of preaching why dont you get a life,fkn do-gooder!!!
ReplyDeleteyea and chapo and mayo are how old ?? they lasted way more then 35 years en la transa quit talking out your ass dude not even im a cheerleader and i have more knowledge there known for a reason there capos for a reason they sit at the tables with other huge organizations for a reason there not moving 300 kilos like the zetas there moving tons of cocaine thats why they are where there at.
ReplyDeleteExactly,pendejo!!..only the top bosses reach old age,but pendejos like u,die or get busted....estupido!!!!!
DeleteYes where theyre at??? O yeah running and hiding. El Senor beep beep.!!
DeleteChapo and Mayo are how old??...you just made yourself look even more ignorant,what kind of life is that ,to be always on the run.They're rich fucks,but never enjoy it.And trust me,they will die soon,or get locked up,and I don't mean if natural causes
DeleteTo da guy idolizing chapo and mayo, grow up homie, whats so cool about always bein on the run and having ur children killed or locked up for life! Is that the better future u want for ur kids, let me tell u , there is not one successful drug dealer that doesnt get caught or killed sooner or later!
ReplyDelete"Obama was elected into office and re-elected because of the prevailing scores of worthless welfare recipients who are unable to work"
ReplyDeleteDude,blow it out your ass,get rid of it,give your face a chance,two places pumpin shit at the same time aint good.You go Jethro,you really do.
All i know is El Senor is the be all and end all for the Sinaloa Cartel.If and when El Senor is taken down it will not be a good day for people he employs and helps,i know some of this from reading articles and obscure papers.El Senor Guzman is a big dog about his paper and moving his weight,what is so wrong with that?Many people hate out of jealousy,we can get past it.
ReplyDeletePeace Baggy~
@9:13pm....Hell yeah.
ReplyDeleteMain Board VS Forum....
ReplyDeleteThis is ridiculous we are both a part of BB. These immature comments about Baggy and others are just plain mean spirited and so spiteful.
Why say go back to forum? What is that about. Come one guys aren't we better than that.
And I don't understand the bagging on Bagggy. He's a good guy and a faithful contributor, what does being an Aussie have to do with the price of frijoles?
Let it go..or go play some where else.
@104pm dude that is so not true.
ReplyDeleteexactly!!! i have to back baggy on this,ive never seen anything but great contribution from him on this site,where is this hate coming from? probably from his so called mates from forum.
ReplyDeleteNothing wrong with Aussies either!!!
Sorry Baggy i cant ever respect a snitch,and its proven fact he has been snitching on other organizations to further his cartel,and that aint old school,old school is you dont ever talk to Authority's....and the fact that its never enough territory for him,he is plain greedy,he broke the first rule when you in the blackmarket trafficking,hope the BLO get big enough too dismantle CDS wit there top dog CHAPO the snitch's head hanging off a pole.
ReplyDeleteJaja you people make me sick quit arguing over some stupid shit all these people on here don't kno the real truth no one does only they themselves actually kno what's happening believe 0% of what you hear and 100 % of what you see with your own eyes.
ReplyDeleteSorry Baggy i cant ever respect a snitch who runs to teacher
ReplyDelete"These immature comments about Baggy and others"
ReplyDeleteOh fuck off,its ok he shouting his boca off?
Idiota
The translations were useful and important and should be corrected. Keep correcting them.
ReplyDeleteDon't get me angry! F..k all the cartels and and f..k Eric Holder too, he should be jailed for Fast and Furious. F..k Obama too, he's a law professor for Christ's sake, what the hell is he doing running the country?
N Everybody Thinks El Chapo Is Going To Be Connecting With ThosE Losers Hahahaha This Article Is Fake Cause If I Work For El Chapo I Have To Give My Kids N Wifes And Parents N SibLings Documents Who The Fuck Would TricK When El Chapo Knows Who To Kill
ReplyDeleteEast Los Ángeles Arriba!!
ReplyDeleteChapo was Calderons bitch now he will be exterminated and Quintero will be the new and undisputed Head Mexican in charged !
ReplyDeleteYou called it
DeleteNeed not talk bad upon sinaloa or El Chapo you peices of Shit. The only bitches was Sr.'s family no disrespect to him. El Chapo is caught but never gone and the snitches that put him there will see there justice! And their snitch rat familia!
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean his family?
DeleteThe Flores twins negotiated a deal with the US Attorney's Office for lighter sentence and to keep at least third of their assets. This goes against the asset forfeiture statutes such as the RICO Act of 1970, the US Patriot Act of 2001 and the more recent CAFRA. What the goverment does not know the exact value of the twin's assets-domestic and foreign. What's all this worth when your father has been kidnapped, your immediate family members will forever be in danger and your own life in danger forever? The twins did not have the balls to fight their case, but flipped like pancakes. Wish them luck!
ReplyDeleteU snich u die , thats why their dad dissappeared and anyone else who kept the money , fuck em thats what people get for selling their soul to the Devil
DeleteTheir older brother Mando is hiding out in texas like a punk ass. He tricked on a whole lot of people so thats what his little brothers did too. Punk ass bitches
ReplyDeleteOk, so these fools get locked. Who stays with the assets? THE government!!! So, these drug traffickers end up loosing at the end. They gotta hide from the enemies, the government. They got to keep their backs covered 24/7. So, I rather be poor and have the freedom of the world than be watching my back all the time and stressung over if ill I be alive next day. I wouldn't give up my freedom in the whole world. I feel bad for them the life they chose and who is responsible? The government because they don't have assistance and they don't have work and there is poverty where they live. Lastly they are responsible for their own actions. Just saying....
ReplyDelete