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Friday, January 17, 2014

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS; 25 AVOCADO FARMS SEIZED BY TEMPLARS RETURNED TO RIGHTFUL OWNERS



A woman embraces self-defense group spokesman Estanislao Beltran in Tancitaro, Michoacan, Mexico, Thursday, Jan. 16, 2014. Mexico's spreading vigilante movement announced its first big land hand-out, returning 25 avocado orchards to farmers whose properties had been seized by the cartel,

By DD for Borderland Beat

While Alfredo Castillo, the federal government's new envoy to coordinate security and development in the state, was making the statement that the Knights Templar cartel that the self-defense groups are battling formed under a different name about 10 years ago with the same mission: to fight an incursion by the Zetas cartel, the self-defense groups were acting rather than just talking.


Showing how ridiculous Castillo’ statement was in comparing the self-defense movement to the CT,  about 200 vigilante supporters gathered in Tancitaro's town square Thursday for a symbolic return of 25 avocado orchards that had been seized by the cartel to their rightful owners.
Self Defense spokesman Estanislao Beltran speaks to the people of Tancitaro
 Estanislao Beltran, spokesman for the self-defense groups, said the mission is to kick out the cartel, not become one.


The comparison of the battle between the Zetas and Templars and the battle between the Templars and the self-defense movement shows a complete of understanding by the EPN administration of the situation in Michoacan and other states in the Tierra Caliente.  Or it is just another deliberate attempt by the administration to distort the facts and demonize the self-defense movement.  Castillo is a close ally of  Pena Nieto.


he Zeta/Templar war was a battle to control the production and distribution of drugs in the Tierra Caliente area.  The self-defense groups/Templar battle is not about control of drugs, but an attempt by the people of the region to protect the lives of themselves and their families, to re-take control of their area from the Templars who had literally taken over the municipal and state governments. 


For years the Templars had terrorized the populace by murder and violence, demanding a cut out of every peso exhchanged in commerce, taxing assets of the people-whether it be their home or their cow, even demanding a share of each municipalities budget.  Before the emergence of the self-defense movement, it was estimated that 100 of the 113 mayors paid a fee to the Caballeros Templar.


If you didn’t comply, you died, along with your family.  The turning point for many was when the Templars started demanding of the men that their wives and daughters be turned over to the cartel, after which they were raped before being returned to their homes when the Templars tired of them.


That was when the people said “Basta” – enough.  And the self-defense movement sprang into being.


"You can start with a genuine cause, but when you start taking control, making decisions and feeling authority ... you run the risk of getting to that point," Castillo told MVS radio.  He was referring to how the movement might turn into a cartel just like the Templars. 


Many would say that his comment could easily apply to PRI, the political party that controls Mexico- “taking control, making decisions, You can start with a genuine cause, but when you start taking control, making decisions and feeling authority ... you run the risk of getting to that point," (if you added to his statement the words "totally corrupt" it could be describing PRI)


"There has been a profound split between the state and society, between the institutions and society," Castillo said.  I would agree with that statement.   The state and it’s institutions have completely failed to protect and defend the people, which is the primary responsibility of the state.


Castillo, nor his boss, the Secretary of the Interior, have given any specifics as to what their next steps will be to “restore the rule of law”.  The fear of many is that they will try to eliminate the self-defense groups.  But based on past history, the steps it takes will only be cosmetic or what will produce good PR.  

The problems in Michoacan are not new.  They (corruption, violence,  impunity) have been there for years.   Neither are the solutions now offered by the administration of EPN new.

Calderon sent the Army into Michoacan days after he was inaugurated.   Critics said it was just a political act to legitimize his close election victory.  But it was taken after some severed heads were thrown onto the dance floor of night club in Michoacan, almost like a challenge to the new administration.
CAUTION; GRAPHIC PHOTOS ON NEXT PAGE
 

This new announcement of more troops and a new security boss is not new either.  Additional troops have been sent into Michoacan 3 times in the last year.  In May of last year, 6 months into EPN administration, additional troops and a new security boss in charge of law enforcement in Michoacan were announced.  Administration officials said of General Reyes : "There will be no public security secretary in any part of the republic who will have as much power as he has,"
Shortly thereafter, both Osario and Atty.Gen. Murillo announced  that Michoacan was under control and security had been re-established.   

In 2013, after one year of the EPN administration, Michoacan recorded more intentional homicides than in any year in the last 15 years.

Government solutions have not produced very good results.  

In the towns that have formed self-defense movements and affiliated themselves with the regional council of the movement, crime has dropped to virtually  nothing.

Despite it's success in stopping crime in the towns where they have regained control,  the movement still faces incredible obstacles.  
 
In addition to the critics that try to demonize it by accusations  it of being an arm or proxy of another 
cartel, accusations that one  of its leaders being a drug trafficker, charges that is usurps the “rule of law” in Michoacan (there is no rule of law currently existing  there ), a seeming hostile MSM press (more on that below), the US Department of State has issued a statement that   the “warring between vigilantes and the cartel is "incredibly worrisome" and that it is "unclear if any of those actors have the community's best interests at heart."
 
But people who had been kidnapped, beaten and had land confiscated by the Knight Templar praised the vigilantes for providing the security for them to return.




Leovigildo Sanchez, who attended the land handover ceremony, said the cartel killed his father and brother and took two orchards. He began working the land again after self-defense formed   in Tancitaro in November.

"I thank God and the self-defense groups. We are here with them," he said.







 

  Events such as returning the avocado farms to their owners are bolstering the strength and popularity of the vigilantes even as the government demands they disarm.

"Thanks to the self-defense groups, we can work our orchards," said Agustin Arteaga, who had been kept off his land for several years since nearly a dozen trucks pulled up and men tied and beat him before taking his orchard.



The cartel's incursions had caused an exodus of many residents of the Tierra Caliente region, including a flood of people seeking asylum in San Diego, California.

The self-defense groups are encouraging everyone, from poor lime pickers to rich businessmen, to return and help keep their movement financially afloat.

"There are a lot of businessmen financing this movement," said The Rev. Gregorio Lopez, a Roman Catholic priest in the farming region's main city, Apatzingan, which is still under cartel rule.

Hipolito Mora, one of the self-defense movement founders, said he has already called one well-heeled family that fled to Guadalajara to tell them they can return and claim their sprawling ranch.

"The rich have lost their fear, and they are approaching us, they are joining the movement," Mora said.

Manuel Lucatero is still fighting to get back the 64 acres that the La Familia cartel, the precursor to the Knights Templar, took in 2008, along with 10 million pesos. He's waging a legal battle because the cartel drew up false ownership papers for the land.

"We're fighting so that everyone can return, and we can live in peace," he said.
 
 Sources
My files
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/apnews/international/article/?ID=5957271






79 comments:

  1. The government is not on the peoples side this movement has to spread all over mexico they cannot be contained in michoacan like theyre trying.. theyve already blocked the roads to michiacan the corrupt government is scared

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  2. GOOD for the autodefenzas!!! P, CA

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  3. Holy shit Michoacan has become a wonderful test that the rest of Mexico should key in on; if the comunitarios are successful, what the fuck is the rest of Mexico waiting on to take back their towns and villages from the cocksucking narcos that are ruining lives, killing innocents and extorting people! Quite obviously, the Mexican government is shit, and cannot be trusted. Slowly but surely, a people that become fed up with their oppressors and arm themselves are a force that can not be struck down. Men with balls that are not motivated by money or some bullshit corrido image are all over Mexico and slowly will rise to the occasion, God willing.

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  4. mexicans in usa and europe should demonstrate on a daily basis against drug cartels and for support of AD in front of mexican embassies and UN headquarters to get international press coverage and maybe even action against the cartels by DEA and mexican government , something should be done to let the world to see what is really going on in mexico

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  5. ESO ES TODO MI GENTE DEL PUEBLO !!! ECHENLE GANAS Y PROTEJANSE EN CONTRA DE ESTAS RATAS QUE LES ROBARON TODO LA TRANQUILIDAD SU LIBERTAD Y SUS BIENES Y TIERRAS . SE TIENE QUE ACABAR LA INPUNIDAD.

    NO BAJEN LA GUARDIA Y NUNCA ENTREGUEN SUS ARMAS.

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  6. El gobierno mexicano son como los carteles no quieren perder mas territorio por que pierden el poder de mangoniar la gente y el derecho de pedir mordiadas. Por eso es que no quieren que avancen las Autodefensas.

    The Mexican government are like the cartels, they don't want to lose their territory otherwise they will lose their power to manipulate the people and their right to ask for bribes. This is why they don't want the Autodefense to advance.

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  7. Thats what im talking about . And fuck televisa whos saying the government of epn is giving back peoples land



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    1. Boycott Televisa, Univision, and the new english network they are forming with ABC!

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  8. If the Autodefensas do nothing else,,,reclaiming the stolen land and returning it to its rightful owners is an end in itself,but they are just beginning.All of this accomplished in little over a year,while the government sat on its ass and did nothing.Well,look at what your apathy,complacency and uncaring superior attitude got you?The people themselves said enough is enough,and now the government has been forced to get off its ass.As the reader above said"The government is not on the peoples side"DO NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT,there are clever people working right now to undermine the Autodefensas and make them appear as opportunists and unethical,,,and god knows,governments don't lie?ADELANTE AUTODEFENSAS

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  9. Long live autodefensas and the reason that the gov are stoping them is because the mexican gov knows the autpdefensas will grow so big not just in michoacan but in the country that after finish the cartels the will become a very big treat to overtake the gov and start a civil war against the government.

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    1. Then those bastards better start protecting the people.protecting the people is protecting themselves.the cartels can keep selling drugs and the gov. can keep recieving their bribes,just enforce the hands off the citizens and their businesses AND families.

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    2. When we say government, we mean its the few benefiting from corruption. The vast majority of government employees are just pawns. People in Mexican government this is the best chance to do the right thing and be with the people. You can't keep working as slaves to supplement the income for the leeches of society (corrupt officials). Thats your and your countryman's money. This is the beginning of another historic movement in Mexican History WHAT SIDE ARE YOU ON!!! THE TIME TO CHOOSE IS NOW!!! Unexpected consequences will result from this movement. As for the crooked people in government unfortunately you time is coming. The more you try to twist the facts and stop this movement the more it will grow just take a look at history!

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  10. These people are not a corrupt cartel in the making. They just want returned what they built and to live in peace. They were not cartel members before, why would they be now?

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  11. this is something you dont hear in the news

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  12. Excellent post. Its important to remember what the Autodefensas are all about. Many people here who comment (including me) do so in comfort and freedom. Mireles and the Autodefensas are on the front line, they risk their lives and their families for this. It is right to question and analyze the Autodefensas, but sometimes we need to take a step back and understand the real sacrifices being made here

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  13. Yea and while the templars were using the money for the whole village now the money is going back into the hands of a single greedy family. Damm you capitalism

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    1. The templars were taking fromm the whole village, stealing from people what they gained through back breaking labor. If you think the templars were good for michoacan let someone come into your house rape and kill your family and take your belongings to use it for their own personal gain while you starve to death. You are an ignorant person with a distorted view of the world

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    2. Right because the people raping your daughters and stealing your land are there for everyone's well being. Riiiight.

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    3. The people woke up to their ensuing slavery. Good.

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    4. 6:50 P.M., you would make an excellent roommate for 'El Broly"

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  14. It would be good if you separated out the Star Advertiser original reporting from your comments and "files" (and also would be good to source the other info.) It is not correct to say "by DD" when the majority of the article is by the Star Advertiser reporters. Clearly copyright infringement.

    BB gets upset when people take a BB story and post it as theirs on another website... same here... not good to take someone else's writing and interweave your opinions into their verbatim article under the heading "by DD." And imo all sources of info need to be supplied, just like wikipedia or any research article does.

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  15. The people, the mexican federales and the U.S. government was chasing the zetas all over mexico killing an capturing its top leaders not it looks like its the templarios time.

    U.S. intelligence main motto "mess with the best, then die like the rest" predator air strike.

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  16. Where do/does the AD get the guns/ammo and reining to use them? Any ideas?

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    1. From friends and relatives in the US ... Did you really need to ask?

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    2. And will continue to supply them with guns and amo until what ever time it Takes to eliminate the cartel. See ya at the next gun show.
      VIVA EL DR. MIRELES!!!!!

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  17. Las autodefensas llegaron ya y yegaron vailando el ricacha ricacha ricacha ricacha.

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  18. Damn the templars I rather die protecting my mom my wife and my daughter then hand them over to the fuckin cartel or any fuckin cartel damn them it's good there fighting back kill them all and take back what's rightfully yours . That was the last straw when they start to say hand over your wife and daughter fuck them.

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  19. Do you really believe the Templarios were using the money for the whole village. You gotta be out of your mind. What about the cold hearted murders, extortions, rapes, and fear they spread through out the communities!!!!!! They did that for the good of the village, yeah right! Thats why the villages are welcoming the auto defensas with open arms, and your beloved Templario SCUM are threatening the people. Sometimes in this world YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY WORK HARD AND SACRIFICE TO SUCEED, AND NOT JUST BE A LEECH ON SOCIETY. THE PEOPLE WILL BE JUST FINE WITHOUT TEMPLARIOS!

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  20. Eventually ( hopefully it doesn't happen ) one Auto defensa will make a mistake and the Critics will jump all over it and use that as more reason to discredit them. The Auto defensas need to continue fighting for what they believe in and not lose focus. Do not let outsiders infiltrate your group because some may already be trying. You have to weed out the ones that may try to take advantage of thes situation and try to take over illegal activities the Templarios left behind. The movement has got the the upper hand as far a P.R. The Government is shitting bricks trying to find a way to contain the movement instead of accepting it and cleaning up corruption one region at a time. 99% of Mexicans would agree with that!

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  21. @ 7:08 PM,

    Damn you too, you overpaid narco troll.

    Your lies and complaints is what a CT would say.

    "Yea and while the templars were using the money for the whole town now the money is going back into the hands of a single greedy family.Damn you capitalism".

    If you READ THE DAMN ARTICLE, 25 families had their hard earn property returned. And many more in the future. I think it's time, you get off your lazy, thieving nalgas and find some honest work. Working as the CT troll on BB is only a temporary job. Unless you really are on the PRI payroll, you have to the next election. I suggest you save your pesos and get some job training, picking avocados is my suggestion. The real owners will need workers for the next season. If that don't work. Try the old tried and true, shopping cart recycling. Its honest work.

    ESB

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  22. I just can't believe why the Government is trying so hard to discredit the Auto defensas, when on the ground its obvious they truly have got the support of the local police people. What is the Government trying to hide and why aren't there people in government not speaking up. Somebody please be the first to say enough is enough, and do the right thing!!! Ruling people by fear eventually leads to insurrection, and nobody really wants to fight a civil war.

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  23. Narcoland: The Mexican Drug Lords And Their Godfathers [Anabel Hernandez, Roberto Saviano]
    I just finished reading this book, now I am conviced the whole Mexican government is the real problem.

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  24. These avocado farmers finally got some justice. Good for them! Hopefully from this experience they can use this as a new beginning and donate some of their profits for the good of their communities. Greed is the mother of all evil. Don't let your gaurd down.

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  25. @ 6:50 PM

    "Mireles and the ADs are the front line, they risk their lives and their families for this".

    "Is it right to question and analyze the autodefenseas, but sometimes we need to take a step and understand the'real sacrifices' taken here".

    You have written great points. Who are we, the BB readers to hand wring and shake our heads at the Autodefensas. (Some BB readers are TELLING them what to do!) The people of Michoacan have suffer for ten years and now are fighting back against, not only the Caballeros Teporaios but the Municipal, State and Federal Government.

    20 years ago, I rode a bus from Chiapas to DF. I met an older White American peace activist, that just came from Guatemala. American and Guatemalan peace activists organized,an End the War rally at the American Embassy, in Guatemala. Americans and Guatemalans peacefully, protested against the CIA and American government involvement in an illegal war.
    Stupid American anarchists pulled a stunt during the rally. The white American anarchists scaled the security fence at the Embassy and almost caused a police riot. This was at the height of the Guatemalan war. Murders and assassinations happened daily. These anarchists endangered the lives of many, especially the Guatemalan activists. These jackasses had a one way ticket back to the U.S. They can go back to their safe Berkley coffee houses and glory in their revolutionary "Actions". Meanwhile the local Guatemalans had to live with the consequences of arrests, torture and deaths.

    My short point? It's easy, and actually, arrogant, to to tell people on the front line what to do. And in the case of the rally, dangerous to the people.

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  26. I've been seeing the commercial on tv for Mexican avocados during football and would remember the report on BB on the avocados being taxed.repeatedly by these scumbags. Great news that the people of are taking back what's theirs. Ya Basta!!! Freedom to the people ! Liberty and avocados for all!

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  27. Even if they were somehow trying to "become a cartel" or whatever, it wouldnt really mean its a bad thing because the problem wasnt the fact that CT was producing or controlling the drug sales, the problem was the fact that they were abusing their own people and taking away their belongings, money, land, womem etc. If they would have just sticked to selling drugs and not harming the people, then no one would give a shit. At the end of the day some cartel is going to pick up and control the states meth production and drug sales, but they need to deal with other narcos and kill eachother off if they want to but leave the innocent and hard working people alone. Tutas dumbass will be the first to get killed since he wants to be the face of the cartel and be a media whore

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    1. Unfortunately I believe your right, nobody really cares about cartels dealing with drugs. I agree the cartels dealing with all other crimes against their own people should be the first in line to get taken out! This is the first post I have heard what most people really feel like!

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    2. Agreed. It seems like CT is on some 1700s plantation slavery shit. Those are the things slave owners did to their human property. The owner could sex all the females, no matter age or status. The slaves could own nothing, be beaten, & be refused food. If they complained, the owner would kill them and display their bodies for all to see.

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  28. Of a single family, hmm. Anyway... look at all those crates of those beautiful blood avacados. Yumm..

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  29. Someone quoted sun tsunami in an earlier comment, the people will take discipline and punishment, but will rise up if you try to take their women or property. Seems like that's the story here....

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  30. good news !
    finally !

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  31. The govern ment is orchestrating their infamous Hegelian Dialectic once again on their own citizenship. Someone send them Girl Scout cookies so they can clense their souls of hate and debased thoughts.

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  32. Now where will El Chapo get his guacamole?

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  33. Emotionally moving, excellent story DD...thanks

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  34. rightful owners are rightful owners. but when you peek under the story it affects many. each worker, hundreds more likely thousands, each paid a tax to Templarios for the privilege of picking avocados, and to use the highway to travel to work.

    Looks like Beltran is surfacing as a much loved powerful leader....also Father Goyo!

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  35. wow another story about michaocan and auto defensasa who saw that coming its not like u guys ever report on that

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  36. So the caballeros gave back a couple ranches without a fight so the autodefensas can eat it and be somewhat satisfied.Wow I'm impressed these autodefensas are no joke. It looks like they defeated the criminals already!!!!! Wait or maybe this is a strategy from the CT and the government,NO that can't be it.

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  37. So happy for the people of Michoacán,saludos dsd Guadalajara.

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  38. The drug sales are collapsing, with the 'legalization' of marijuana in the US.
    The Mexican product just cannot compete with the product grown in the US.

    The Cartels are fighting over a shrinking pie, that is one of the primary pieces of the puzzle that is going unmentioned.

    Haas avocados are a better cash crop than seedy weed.

    The Cocaine, it is just an item to be transported, not an item that is produced by any of the Mexican Cartels. They are being squeezed by the liberalization of the US drug laws.

    As the prohibition ends, the gangsters lose out.
    That is a historic reality


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    1. Youre dumb. Lol sorry to burst your bubble but their real money isnt from marijuana, its synthetic drugs

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    2. There will always be seedy weed, perhaps not in high demand, but it will be around, the "seedy weed" you speak of is created in bulk. The chronic you speak of is higher quality but quantity isnt always there. When they grow it in mexico for the most part by the cartels or the farmers they just let it grow, no special attention or chemicals, just naturally grows because they have acres of it, something not possible in many areas of the usa. Most of the cartels income isnt from mj by the way. Their biggest flip is in cocaine human trafficking & snythetic drugs

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  39. "
    You have written great points. Who are we, the BB readers to hand wring and shake our heads at the Autodefensas. (Some BB readers are TELLING them what to do!)"

    you have a good point, and it is their blood that is being shed. we (who live in the USA) should be respectful, and not opinionated. after all, there would be no Drug War if it wasn't for the obsession of Americans to keep using marijuana, cocaine and meth. We are the ones who fund this war with our own sins. P, CA

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  40. Chivis, have you heard anything of the war that's going on between chapo and mayo in Sonora ?

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  41. May God protect the good people of Mexico suffering under alll of this oppression, it's time they had a new beginning!

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  42. Chivis have you heard anything of the war that's going on between mayo zambada and chapo Guzman

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  43. Heads are going to roll....

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  44. January 17, 2014 at 11:44 PM
    "20 years ago, I rode a bus from Chiapas to DF. I met an older White American peace activist, that just came from Guatemala. American and Guatemalan peace activists"
    And your point is?These people obviously cared to get off their ass and do something?I can smell something nasty in your comments.Again.

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    1. 3:36 general efrain Rios Montt,the armed forces,and the Kaibiles got away with murder,investigations are still "ongoing"...

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  45. Blessed be the Zetas, the peace makers.

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    1. Congratz!!! You just won the Pendejo award!!

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  46. EPN is in cahoots with scumbag politicians along with the drug cartels specifically CDS and chapo. All these guys getting killed/arrested from the CDS is nothing but showcase to show the people that EPN and the government are "doing their job" but in reality is just an appearance. They wont legalize it on both sides on the border because there is too much money in the drug war. They want high occupancy in prisons which will mean federal funding. Even something small like legalizing marijuana they wont do because they make far too much money incarcerating young men (usually of color) for small non violent possession charges.

    The real enemy is not the cartel but the goverment on both sides of the border. Cartels are just the effect, not the cause.

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  47. Mexico has the best politicians money can buy.

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  48. Somos del pueblo por el pueblo templario no mas capitalismo.

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  49. About Agua Prieta
    Yes I have been keeping an eye on it. Crazy. It began before Mandy's killing, since the end of December there has been balaceras gone wild. an apparent struggle for the plaza. Mandy's however was a kidnapping attempt gone very bad. I saw the fotos of the truck it looked like swiss cheese must of been auto weapons, holes are tight in proximity.

    I did not post the story because I could not narco connect it. Even tho we know it was. For all of you Mandy Moreno was a high profile sports figure turned business man and much loved. There was an attempt to kidnap him and he tried his best to escape but hit a divider and lost control and rolled a half dozen times.

    it was 6 blocks from the US border. There has been many shootouts in Jan and another last night

    here are a couple vids
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb3IqJBTZXg
    http://www.notidiario.tv/site/020113balacera.html#.UtsvRl_TmM8

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  50. While our friends at Small Wars Journal say ...

    Key parts of Mexico have failed.

    Foremost among these are the states of Michoacán and Tamaulipas.

    Chihuahua, Durango, Sinaloa, Guerrero, Veracruz, and Nuevo León are not far behind. Indeed, a recent report warns that
    10% of Mexico—2,437 municipos (cities) in total—are under the control of gangsters rather that the state.


    http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/mexico-crucible-of-state-change

    The AD has liberated, what, 22 communities?
    At most, we have to assume that some of those communities AD control could still be considered contentious.

    1% liberated, in one year, and now there is a negotiated halt to any further advances by the AD movement.

    Good will is not enough to displace the physical, economic and physiological oppression brought to the community be criminal activities.


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    1. 9:05 great statisticians propose that 10% of the people are the cause of 90% of the problems,so fixing that would cause the crime rate to come down considerably.
      Dr mireles needs to make the list and help find the posterboys,if the autodefenses get to neutralize 1 of them,the rest would self-deport. The AD are doing an admirable job under the circumstances,with minimal casualties,and they are getting stronger everyday.counting your blessings,is job # 1,hopefully the quality of their work will improve and they will become more permanent.our prayers and our blessings are not much,but that is all they have.
      We are so divided and disorganized,that our good wishes are about all the AD have been getting from us,I hope that can be improved soon...

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  51. Add disqus comentarios box so we can vote on the best coments

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  52. Shit we should learn some somethin from this.start our own autodefensas in the Ca.our gotvt sucks too

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  53. Man you guys cant ever be happy, if a few farms were returned that is a few more farms that the cartel doesnt have and for whatever reason they felt it wasnt worth keeping them. Good for the rightful owners.be happy for them at least this story is unfolding and not being wrapped up and filed away..if there was a way to lend my fists to the fight here they are, let me know who to contact. God knows I am broke so I wouldnt be able to send money

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  54. Mandi era el encarcado de la plaza de agua prieta sonora para marcos paderes el m100 but I've talked to people en el charco and cannot find who is trying to get in or if its los contras or internal fighting its really crazy any one has any info ????

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  55. I would like to know who's fighting la plaza en agua prieta sonora I know los paderes always had el charco who are they fighting against? ????

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    1. These fucking grameros fighting over the gramero plazas.
      Then who is flying drugs to the US by the tens of tons?
      One plane crashed,and another got caught in the Yucatan peninsula,big banks laundered the money for Mexican narcs to buy the planes from CIA connections,I don't think the narco-grameros ,have an idea how much more money other operations make from drug trafficking on a global scale...

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  56. Or who's fighting who en APSON?

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  57. I've bin trying to ask around and the info I got from friends and family members is that a guy by the nick name chuy bravo is trying to take over la plaza of agua prieta son with a few other people but still not sure wats really going on or if this is true??? Will keep digging!

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  58. Alfredo Castillo Cervantes is a JOKE as an authority figure. When he was "Procurador" for Pena Nieto he was responsible of the investigation of the disappearance of Paulette Gebara Farah. Castillo nor his investigating crew SUPPOSEDLY couldn't find her or find evidence to blame anyone yet "SUPPOSEDLY" they found her dead body 9 days later at the edge of the bed. I say "SUPPOSEDLY" because the house keeper, the parents, the municipal police, the state investigators and Alfredo Castillo Cervantes himself had searched all over in here room, I think they even brought in dogs to follow her scent, and NO ONE saw her. Somehow they want us to believe that her body wasn't decomposing or letting out a foul smell, like ALL other corpse do, after several days? WTF??? Her parents are Jews and friends with the "Elite" and Carlos Salinas De Gortari(pimp to Enrique Pena Nieto at the time governor of that state) so i'm almost positive the little girl's mom or parents killed her. So Alfredo Castillo Cervantes is a joke and a puppet therefore don't expect anything to change in Michoacan because of him. Maybe the autodefensas will change things and Cervantes, as its common with that simulated government of EPNdejo, will get the credit.

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  59. @7:21 giving credit is very important,but it is impossible to give credit for every single word,and we'd get lost in a sea of nitpicking,you will have to go and wiki everything you want but bitching here will get you nowhere,i don't know who said "if you don't have anything good to say,don't say it"or somping like that,anybody with a vertical forehead gets the idea:-)
    @9:39 don't worry about it,thank god they was there to help get the job done.
    @10:51 anabel hernandez,can she write about how 95% of the money generated by drug trafficking goes to international banks to launder and use in obtaining state owned businesses at firesale prices. not content with all the stealing they get away with,the great international banks and investors,had to bring murder and terrorism to our countries to shell shock the populations into robotized subservience, let's get to the marrow of the narco business,the big money and who gets to keep it,and how it only works for them,always, and against us,always.
    @6:13 sun tzu,bless him,his war philosophy and tactical prowess,with his many disciples,could not save the chinese emperors, nor the chinese nation from the english navy and weapons that imposed and reimposed drug trafficking,trading and addiction on the chinese people,on their own land where that shit was not welcome or wanted,te chinese still can't shake free from their drug trafficking partners or their money,the chinese pawns are just their puppeteers' pawns against the world,sun tzu never could have foreseen an enemy of that size,whose power resides first of all on the bought governments that remain bought.
    Following the chinese pattern,the US is slowly accepting drugs,legalizing trafficking of marihuana,for private enterprises, of which even the most sainctly of politicians want to be partners...what is next?
    casinos and gambling,declared an industry,processing bullshit to take fool's money,while their jobs get offshored by leftist and rightist politicians, hellbent on making money for themselves,if the country and their countrymen get the shitty end of the stick that is their problem.
    and "how is this connected to drugs,narcs,terrorism,murder etc on the border" some will say...

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  60. Zetas need to come in and restore order.

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    1. 1:16 The zetas new name:
      THE CHAMBERPOTZZZ !!!
      Let's bless them with lots of piss and popo...

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  61. 12:16 about the plane that crashed and the one captured,both loaded with tens of tons of cacaine,bought with laundered money,by narcos,from CIA influenced airplane traffickers,did that influence the speedy approval of a
    1.5 billion dollars for the MIERDA INITIATIVE? the money was promptly stolen in the most part by middlemen,and genaro garcia luna,only he could fix a scam like that,now he lives on the US,happily and worry free.
    forbes reported him as one of the most corrupt mexican popoliticians ever,like bertie boy moreira, he fired a letter to the magazine protesting the charges,and talking about his service to his beloved country,and about his medals diplomas,and letters from fbi and other investigative agencies.
    el negro durazo,from a police officer,was made a 5 star general, using his position to engender drug trafficking,stealing the business from the colombians,through murder,and kidnappings. with the help of police officers that epn has reinstated on the most powerful positions of the police in mexico.
    genaro garcia luna,worked to combat and diminish kidnappings for a long time with different police organizations,all of them and their agents have been exposed as the perpetrators of murders,tortures, imprisonment of people they accused of their very own crimes,and they have been accused of being the real kidnappers for ransoms that amounted to around 40 million pesos every year,and more if you include the kickbacks and mordidas taken, check LA HERMANDAD,a fraternity of police officers,including the chiefs of police,composednof several different clubs, dedicated to all kinds of crimes,and protected by the higest levels of government,including the president, metastasized to different states and police agencies they keep the kidnappings for ransom going unabated.
    anabel hernandez and others write about this (mexico en llamas).
    another expert on criminal police organizations, Lucio Mendoza Rios, director of IMECO,explains better the crimes that corrupt police organization perpetrate,much much worse than those of the narcs,anyone interested can see why most people dissapear,and connect police officers influenced by police organizations from the mexican capital,that to lower the crime rates there exported their kidnapping expertise to other states,under the expert eye of much condecorated Genaro Garcia Luna,the master kidnapper himself,now working happily on te US.
    let's not forget, carlos slimmy helu,the richest man in the world,got garcia luna the job through his brother,a policia federal agent,both lebanese.
    check also: isabel miranda de wallace and marisela morales involvement in collecting bounties for "solving" cases,and falsely accusing people other than the real perpetrators, in all cases, the black hand of genaro garcia luna is visibly involved,and on the caso marti,even have a set of kidnappers, all confessed,to save the real kidnappers accused of the crime. bottom line...
    why have the police commanders and directors not been investigated and punished? the 30 000 dissappeared that are known and their families, deserve an answer,many many answers,from the man in charge himself,genaro garcia luna...

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