[ Subject Matter: Civilian deaths at Villa Purificacion during Government on CJNG fighting.
Recommendation: Read Lucio R post on the operation see link]
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| Family members of the disappeared from Operation Jalisco send a delegation to the PGR in Guadalajara |
Villa Purificacion, Ecuanduero, Apatzingan.... catalogued by the Federal Government and State as " confrontations" with organized criminals, massacres like those recently perpetrated in the locations of Jalisco and Michoacan, have similarities: dark and distorted information on the part of the Forces or implicated authorities, more grave use of excessive force every time, typified by crimes against humanity, and systematic impunity. In that respect to Villa Purificacion, Jalisco, a Proceso investigation into the unofficial civilian death toll at 43, double those reported by Government Officials. In all cases the question is the same: were they combatants or executed?
Today, Military troops fly over the area and patrol the streets, roads and breaches, also planting road blocks. The uniformed officers of the Fuerza Unica Rural (FUR) replaced the Municipal Police who were detained for alleged links with narco traffickers, who were then liberated on masse, one week later.
Angered by the arrogance of the soldiers and officers of the FUR, traders closed the doors of businesses and homes. A Helicopter from the PGR manoeuvres in the air, sets down to pick up a suspect who has been arrested, wounded or deceased, then rise again into the air.
The habitants of this village, almost planted in paradise for five centuries, they now live in anxiety, they have fear of other confrontations similar to Friday the 1st of May, when Sicarios of CJNG brought down an Army Cougar helicopter.
20 days after the confrontation, on the corner of City Hall, in the shade of a few trees in the main plaza, next to the Parish, a dozen people stand together. They are relatives of the dead and missing from Friday the 1st.
Some come from far Jalisco Municipalities; others are from neighboring villages. It took them days to arrive. Then after hours of fruitless waiting, they decided to return and for no reason gave them authority over the 43 bodies to the experts of the Forensic Medical Services (Semefo), which were then taken to the Jalisco institute of Forensic Sciences (IJCF) of Guadalajara.
They will be watching the results of Amparo 666/2015 filed by Lawyer Javier Diaz, promoted in the Fifth District Court of Criminal Matters to proceed with identification of the bodies, they say.
Without doubt, the Institute assures that it can only do the identifications once they have received authorisation from SEIDO. For now they cannot even deliver the DNA results to find out the names of the dead.
Original article in Spanish at Proceso
They will be watching the results of Amparo 666/2015 filed by Lawyer Javier Diaz, promoted in the Fifth District Court of Criminal Matters to proceed with identification of the bodies, they say.
Without doubt, the Institute assures that it can only do the identifications once they have received authorisation from SEIDO. For now they cannot even deliver the DNA results to find out the names of the dead.
Original article in Spanish at Proceso
The govt needs to corner more scum like this and send its vaccine to take care of the disease. More doses of M60 machine gun fire. Doubtful, very doubtful they were having a picnic or BBQ so at least potential mas murderers have been eliminated. There was no innocents there, pure cartel criminals.
ReplyDelete9:27 THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR OPINIONATED PENDEJISMO...
Delete--So on 99.99% of the time, the government is right no matter what, and all the people they confront and murder and disappear are criminals...
--then why 99.99% of the public opinion differs from yours?
And that includes victims and witnesses of the mexican government's shenanigans, with equipment and training provided by the US government in the name of the american taxpayer...if behind their backs...
--law and order got burned a long time ago, when my beloved president Richard Nixon had to resign when he understood that HE WAS A CROOK, AFTER ALL...
Ohhhh no,he connects Richard Nixon to this story? What a troll
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6:56,again with the USA training? Always america to blame for the Mexican cartel/miliary/government/buisnesmans... bad behavior.Didn't I just read (right here on BB) about Russian mercenarie in TJ?
DeleteWELL, DOROTHY, WHEN WE ARE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE, THE NATIONALITY OF MERCENARIES VARY...
Delete--Military freelancers make most of their money on their own, just like mechanics, doctors, chemist magicians, and legal eagles, he'll even torture experts have given up their highly paid positions with the US government to advice them extraofficially, as reported by president Obama himself "we tortured some folks..."
--You really really need to wake up and smell the horse's ass, "dorothy 'the freelancer'..."
As if something will actually happen to the Federales, state police or anyone who participated in massacre. I feel for those individuals who expect justice to be served. A person has a better chance of hitting the lottery jackpot then the Mexican government admitting to any wrong doing.
ReplyDeleteWhy would the government always try to cover up or diminish and deny their dirty deeds?
ReplyDelete--Because they are dirty
The Narcos brought this upon themselves. Assassination of police and military caused rage, pillage and robbing of la gente caused disgust and disinterest of how sicarios are dealt with.
ReplyDeleteExtra judicial justice is always a danger to civilians. Police become accustomed to self-regulation and -that- is when abuses can evade detection or prosecution. As bad a history that la policia have in Mexico things can get worse, much worse.
Ignoring or denial of the existence of extra-judicial actions of the police or armed forces by Los Pinos is inexcusable. This sets the stage for errors in judgement or mis-directed bias in police or military campaigns. Result is a major slaughter of innocent civilians, followed by hysterical public reaction followed by an avalanche of sanctions against the police and military. The sanctions will penalize the innocent as well as the guilty in Mexican law enforcement. The damage will be almost permanent. All this because Los Pinos chooses to ignore dealing with extra judicial actions before it gets out of hand.
Mexico urgently needs to address shortfalls in it's judicial and penal systems. Special sanctions need to be employed to dissuade ministerio publicos, los juez, and all levels of court officials from corruption. 20-years mandatory prison sentences would be appropriate. For organized crime, imprisonment for life without the possibility of amparo early release would do for starters.
I've stated this before. A team of perhaps a hundred polygraph experts, perhaps from Switzerland need to be well-paid and embedded at a large military installation. Every last juez, ministerio publico, senador, and other political figure all the way up to presidential candidates need to be vetted before they can continue their direction in public life. Figures who fail the test would be ineligible for life from serving the public. The empowerment for the action would take place under the umbrella of a constitucional amendment.
Such a plan would also be beneficial in the EUA as well. The results would be vast legions of unemployed former officials.
Yes this is puro sueños. But I am tired of playing the part of "The Prey"
Smells of American death squads trained at the School of Americas.
ReplyDeleteYes to cause caos in a once peaceful & prospers place in order for population control & the crumble of the economy in mexico ,and control of mexicos readources kinda of like the fake wars america starts in the middle east.
DeleteAll that mexican failure designed by mexico's amigos from the united states of northamerica , rogue government agents, crooked businessmen, greedy , drug dealers and traffickers, greedy chickenhawks, corporate welfare queens, disciples of capitalist jesus and god's most favored religious icons of whatever persuasion...
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DeleteThat's Millie answering his own post about ''US death squads'' What a hater
10.46
DeleteHow dare you tell the truth?
Millie sent five stars to 4:55, ☆☆☆☆☆ but not the comment...
Delete--There are more of us than of youses, mil mascaras, and unlike you, I do not comment on my own postings, but I may add on occasion...
--I do not eat up government propagandas either, honeybuns...
I blame all of the rioting and disorder in Baltimore, Ferguson and Cleveland on Mexico. It's the drugs that THEY traffic into MY country causing all this disruption. How dare EPN and his disciples allow this ludicrous and insidious shit to occur? It's the rogue drug dealers, greedy chicken hawks looking for chickens and the Grinch who stole Xmas. I rebuke you satan get out!! Lol!! Sound familiar??
DeleteGoogle republican and his mule...
Delete--Militarized american police departments, armed to wage war on american citizens who do not wear powerful guns nor participated on 9/11, just to enhance the revenue for new courthouses to collect more fines by collecting new fines, are the reason of american riots, American police officers are becoming the new neo-nazi power, just like the mexican cops, of today's totalitarian neo-nazi regimes, and like the nazis of yesterday, can't see the forest because of the trees...
So let me get this straight please feel free to comment since i dont understand the article much. The 43 dead are civilians from the shootout between cjng and police on the border of michoacan and jalisco right?? Or are they talking about the helicopter incident???
ReplyDeleteThe rancho where all the 'sicarios' were lying around I believe it is dude,and the relatives of the dead are trying to find out if any are their loved ones? But the bodies have not been released yet ?
DeleteIt was said somewhere that these guys at the rancho were part of the crew that downed the chopper,maybe why they are mentioned in connection ?
Deleteyou can't possibly believe that the same people would be at the ranch. come on, use logic, what is it a traveling crew? and the gob intelligence was so awesome they found them? of all the cjng membership?
Deletethis is epn bullshit, it is an election time next week people vote.
get it now?
the fact is because "evidence" was destroyed we will never know. but consensus is that at least some of the killed were not narcos and were hired on to do legit work. don't pay attention to US media like CNN or EPN driven propaganda, you do and play into their plan
Off topic. News Break: FIFA corruption scandal. Some of the 14 people indicted arrested.
ReplyDeletehttp://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/28/football/fifa-corruption-investigations-what-next/
Rotten to its core,disgusting greed involved..And,the worst kept secret on the planet,similar to Formula 1 and UK Premier league,all rotten..
DeleteAmericas fault.
DeleteEl America is owned by Televisa...
Delete--America has been pawned to the chinese, who pose as owners of offshored america's money and industrial property...
So that 43+43+20= 106 Kidnapping, robbing murdering scumbags no longer on the face of the earth. Wow that is a lot of criminals gone, add that to the numbers arrested, and killed by other gangs.. That is a LOT of criminals.
ReplyDeleteHow is it possible that our society has so many people who choose to just take. take, take, from others? How is it possible that our society has thousands of people willing to cut off peoples heads and chop them up into little pieces?
This has nothing to do with poverty or economics. I know dirt poor people who would never hurt anyone, or steal from anyone. There is something deeply wrong with these peoples minds. I really see no alternative at this point. we just have to get rid of them now, or it will only get worse as this mind disease spreads.
What are you going to do with the CIA, they and their rat line nazi escapees instituted drug trafficking all over from SouthAmerica to NorthAmerica, and on all the black neighborhoods on the US, and in mexico...
Delete--the CIA's assets have been overseeing drug trafficking and drug traffickers, nothing better than that...
Some of the videos with chopping fingers off etc,how has it come to that?And for what?How can normal people revert to that,something seems to have gone wrong?
DeleteGovernment has to take some responsibility,where is investment in Mexican people,no where?
100,000 MN, ten Hail Marys and go forth and sin no more my son. Delinquency without penalty leads to Mexico. Corruption at the bottom CAN NOT freaking NOT be controlled without first controlling corruption at the top. Want a dose of reality Mexican Style? Watch a movie. La Ley de Herodes. Corruption and injustice in EMBEDDED in Mexico so deep and widespread it is almost hopeless to try and correct it. When Mexico runs out of crude, Cuban tourism bankrupts Cancun, and rateros run tourists out of Cabo San Lucas, and Puerto Vallarta, expect to see hundreds of thousands of indocumentos swarm northbound. The process has already started with a typhoon of burglaries swamping ex-pat enclaves. Many are abandoning ship after 10-20 years of living in Mexico. I should know - I am moving to Guatemala for safety.
DeleteMined countries, banana republics, producers of meth precursors, coca leave farmers, opium farmers, even legal corn and bean producers, only get subsistence pay, and maybe a loan to get by until they can not handle it anymore, lately with great GMO seed that promises a lot, and fails a lot, but farmers lose the farm and commit suicide, putting more ownership of land on big agro...
Delete--See Russia Today about cotton farmers of india, and their mass suicide...
can someone post a link to the original story on this? Is this from the Mencho attack or something else? "Villa Purificacion confrontation" is not ringing any bells for me, so I imagine most other casual readers would also like some reference to what this article is referring to. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteIf you look at the last line of the article, it says " original article in spanish at Proceso" , click on the red word proceso and it will open a new window to the article.
DeleteThe crux of this article is suggesting, that there was a lot of non-narco civilians killed in the original battle in which the helicopter was shot down. The bodies were taken away by helicopter, and not reported.
DeleteIt's the farm massacre dude,and the relations trying to find out who is there?
DeleteFamilies with disappeared persons trying to find them are not being allowed, and are being denied information by the heroic mexican department of defense and their "humanitarian" government and police, there may have been also involved american military contractors with more experience on this kind of "dark ops", but I have given you people more information than you need or deserve...
DeleteVery confusing ?
DeleteOtis B Fly-Wheel Eso es verdad, mas de 40 cuerpos tirados al sol mas de 15 días, tengo familiares que viven por esas comunidades y ellos me lo dijeron al día siguiente de los enfrentamientos, El ejercito no reporto esas muertes ni las televisoras, ¿Por que lo callaron?
DeleteTo go back to the story, you can wet your finger and pull the screen down until you get there...isn't technology great? And free technological advice is priceless, ur welcome...
DeletePeople are angry because the guys who shot down the helicopter were killed?
ReplyDeleteI guess we better start taking it easy on ISIS too before we have a protest. Bombing them from the air is so unfair!
We should fight them one on one so they have a better chance!
We should arrest them all! FREEZE!!! POLICE!!! DROP THE ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUN!!!
Some of you Idiots really don't get it. No one knows who fired at the cougar on May 1st. Allegedly there are dead bodies fron CJNG on May 1 and a camp post with condoms and Im guessing semen inside of it and hair at the campsite. Forensically you can take that evidence and see if any people of the 43 slain at Rancho Sol are related. You could then conclude that its a family business considering samples taken.
DeleteOk now that those idiots that didn't get that understand. How does any one know whom the 43 slain are?
2 witnesses said they were CJNG?
Right. And those 3 that were "hiding" I'm sure they won't forced to give statements.
We can not conclude that it was CJNG. For this reason a proper forensic analysis and subpoenas for legal motions should take place.
How many white cops kill any minorities and get away with it?
Its one thing to be a racist and another to be a murder hiding behind a badge. Thats what it looks like 500 military forces did to 45 people.
What makes it worst I don't doubt if a P.M.C. was paid with corrupt government drug money for blood money
The government is not releasing any details. Why are bodies charred , knives in stomaches, bones broken?
People aren't siding with criminals but there is a due process of law. Even Terrorist that give up are given trials.
Dont say mexico is a fucked country when america is fueling the drug war and making their people more stupid and unhealthy by cutting out farmers introducing chemicle substances as cures when natrual remedies are available. Censoring the media to bias. Genetically modified plants and animals are being ingested. Politicians are beating their wifes and smoking dope and making your laws. So while mexico has big problems they are atleast bald face lies. In america we have plenty to fix. America doesn't hide with it dumps in our minds and enviorments. Gotta love the stars and stripes!
If US boots touch down any where near ISIS soldiers those brave ISIS soldiers will simply shit their pants and run the other direction. The ISIS Command will just send in the women and children suicide bombers to fight the infidel invaders. The "soldiers" will watch from the safety of their bunkers until the yanks leave. Now that's what I call bravery
DeleteISIS indios huarachudos have been tied to CIA operatives, and I guess paramilitary defense contractors...somebody wants war on the Arab lands for a hundred years, for all the oil, because chinese tea don't burn as hot...
DeleteThink, stupid, where do ISIS get all their weapons, trucks, and strategic advice?
--USAID HAS BEEN CAUGHT A FEW TIMES FACKING AROUND WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE, in cuba for example...recently...
This is the fruit of your labors Mexico.....know TRAGATELA!!!!!
ReplyDelete3:36 This is a glaring example of ignorant hate, I wonder what 150 million mexicans have done to you?
Delete--According to american staticians like Edward Deming, 10% of the people in any organization are the reason for 90% of its problems.
--that makes 15 million mexicans that need to be hanged or shot to get them out of the way...
--if you want to do only the 1%ers, then you gotta get rid of 1.5 million mexicans. There is your solution to the problem...
-- during the zedillo regime, about 50 000 mexicans were estimated to have been murdered or disappeared "quietly" by the mexican government, but o ly 25 000 have been accepted as disappeared by calderon's regime, and no murdered or whatever...
--the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia would rather murder 15 million innocent mexicans that get rid of their own corruption, all of which is no concern of the US, paying mexican government in spite of its crimes is their only priority...
12:09 your are the biggest misleading propagandist on this board. your anti american anti white nazi comments and continual references of "kkk" you my idiotic poster are a mule, a real jackass.
DeleteMillie the hate monger at his best.
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ReplyDeleteThere are pages of stories saying 8 on may 19th but now proceso report and others say 43
I am not sure why you guys can’t check yourselves.
But correct the spelling of the city, I did and had no problem
Reported now is all 43 had the same wounds, chest, throat or face/head
May 19th Report from may Reports of villa Purificación from jornada may 19-says 8 dead
http://lajornadajalisco.com.mx/2015/05/saldo-de-8-civiles-muertos-tras-enfrentamiento-en-villa-purificacion/
may 19th Villa Purificación published in el financiero -says 8 dead
http://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/nacional/enfrentamiento-entre-militares-y-civiles.html
now changes to 43
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/22/mexico-firefight-drug-cartel-region
Thank you for the clarification! I see many were wondering.
DeleteSo many battles lately we are going to have to come up with a numerical categorization strategy.
can't believe their lying family/relatives they mad cuz their source of a few free centavos and dope has been cut off. great job federales lets go round up some more and send the scum to slaughter. my prayers are only for the innocents brutally tortured and murdered by scum like this. they can all rot in hell where they belong.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with leaving the bodies around is that they start chingando with the autopsies, what do you want, you people?
ReplyDeleteCold dude cold
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