Narco confesses to using gun to kill 12 people
German weapons maker
Sig Sauer is facing a second lawsuit on suspicion of illegally exporting guns
to Latin America. A Mexican drug cartel member has confessed to killing 12
people with one of its handguns.
The charges - on
suspicion of illegal weapons exports - were filed following the release of
Chihuahua court documents about the 2010 murder of Marisela Escobedo. The 52-year-old
woman became a prominent activist in Chihuahua after a man who confessed to
murdering her 16-year-old daughter was acquitted by a Mexican court.
In a short documentary
aired on Sunday night, German state TV network ARD showed CCTV footage of the murderer
chasing Escobedo across a street in the city of Chihuahua and shooting her in
the back of the head.
"It's a
particularly horrifying case, but it's also a special case - it's very
rare," said Grässlin. "We have a convicted killer who confessed that
he killed at least 12 people, and the gun's serial number - and Sig Sauer
themselves say it is one of their guns."
"We don't know
where exactly the gun was assembled - but we know it was German expertise,
German technology - either separately or in one piece - and it found its way to
the perpetrator in Mexico - the fact that he had it was illegal, because there
was no export license," he told DW.
Mother and daughter
killed
Escobedo's daughter
Ruby disappeared in 2008, and her mother, frustrated at the slow police
investigation, found out for herself that Ruby had been killed in 2008 by her
boyfriend, a member of the Los Zetas drug cartel. He was subsequently arrested,
confessed, and led the police to her body - only to be acquitted for lack ofevidence. ARD showed Escobedo break out in tears in a courtroom in 2010 as the
verdict was read, before screaming at the judge and storming out.
Unlike her daughter's
boyfriend, Escobedo's killer - another member of Los Zetas - was convicted, and
the Sig Sauer gun was identified as the murder weapon (among an arsenal of some
200 firearms found in his possession). "Now we know that it was a 9mm gun,
from a German firm," said Gomez. "According to the files, he killed
another 11 people with this weapon alone."
No
export license
Chihuahua is one of
four Mexican states that the German government has declared as too dangerous
and corrupt to export weapons to, and the German Economy Ministry has confirmed
that Sig Sauer has not been granted an export license to Mexico since 2000.
"But if they want
to pass on deliveries, to Colombia, to Mexico, to Venezuela or wherever, they
need another export license," Grässlin told DW. "This definitely
didn't happen." According to Germany's Federal Office of Export Control,
an export license is still necessary if "technology from Germany has been
exported to the subsidiary company in the US in advance," and confirmed
that it had not received an application for a license from Sig Sauer.
Sig Sauer, which is
based in Eckernförde, northern Germany, is already under significant legal
pressure after it was revealed last year that tens of thousands of its
handguns, manufactured in Germany, found their way to Colombia via its US
subsidiary. Grässlin pressed charges against the firm over the revelations in
July 2014, and within days the German government banned the company from
exporting any more weapons.
Fast and furious maybe.
ReplyDeleteThey charge the gunmaker, but they let the guy who used the gun to murder someone go...
ReplyDeleteThe "confessed killer" of Marisela Escobedo got killed in prison, by his friend, to keep him from talking, gov, Cesar Duarte covering the "bases"...
Delete--The real killer of marisela according to her son, is a gangbanger who runs free and protected by Law Enforcement in El Paso Tx.
--the killer of Rubi Marisol Fraire escobedo, sergio rafael barraza bocanegra got killed in zacatecas, he is the brother of the accused real killer of marisela...
--BB has many reports about them..
No, the person who killed 12 people with the German made gun was convicted of killing, "Unlike her daughter's boyfriend, Escobedo's killer - another member of Los Zetas - was convicted, and the Sig Sauer gun was identified as the murder weapon (among an arsenal of some 200 firearms found in his possession)."
DeleteWhen are they going to arrest the bad gun?
Delete10:10 all the biiig baaad guns got impounded, can't you read? Now I am sure you also have a lot of weapons and are waiting for the right moment to spring a surprise on us...
DeleteI first came here because of the murder of Rubi Marisol Fraire Escobedo and the efforts of her mother that ended on her murder at the doors of the state government of Chihuhua, the doors had been closed for the event...
ReplyDelete--governor Cesar Duarte went beyond the call of duty for los zetas in chihuahua...
PS good job on keeping up with this story Lucio, I hope to see the gun maker and the merchant lose in court...
ReplyDelete--Same with the rifle that was used to kill miss Kathryn Steinle, like how someone's carelessness was the reason or when the weapon was lost and how it ended on the hands of the accused killer, and when, it is another case of "stinks to high heavens" to smooth the road for the campaign against illegal aliens, (mexican)
You're an idiot. First, it wasn't a rifle that killed Kathryn Steinle, it was an illegal immigrant with a handgun that was stolen from a BLM agent. How does that "stink to high heavens"? The idiot they caught confessed to shooting her, but tried to claim the gun fired all on it's own. He had been deported 5 times and had 7 felony convictions. Pretty cut and dry.
DeleteNonsense accusations why not sue chevrolet cause may be they used one in a murder or tecate beer cause maybe they were drinking one.
ReplyDeleteProbably because there is no proof a chevy was use or tecate beer was consumed prior to or during the killing...but on a serious note,maybe because the chevy and the tecate were not ILLEGALLY exported into mexico or latin america knowing they will probably be used to kill.
DeleteChevrolet can't even make a half decent american Cadillac anymore, the applied obsolescence still make chevrolet a bad choice to own, unless you buy it for 50.00 dollars ea, at any speed...
Delete--My family has bought 5 new Toyotas since we started making good money and one nissan, zero US made...
El Wicked..the moms killer was not a Z...He was an Azteca FYI..
ReplyDeleteEl wicked cleaned the chihuahua state capitol for governor Cesar Duarte, it was a zeta contract...
Delete--who do the job, is one thing, who confesses to having done it is another, "Marisela Escobedo was making too much pedo about her daughter, she did not teach her well, the daughter was to blame, it was all a gangbangers beef" all the classic excuses of the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia at all levels... when people get whacked or disappeared, it is "maybe they was up for something, or sompim' , their fault...
Gun control is working so well in Mexico
ReplyDeleteIs like suing honda for Making a vehicle that was used in a car accident in mexico where Japanese vehicles are not allowed for export....lol good luck in court, they have to prove how that particular weapon end it up in mexico..
ReplyDeleteYeah except using that gun to kill was NO ACCIDENT at all...but if you see the parallel in the two who am i to call you foolish?
DeleteSounds bogus to me. Guns don't kill people, People kill people. What will this lawsuit actually do for anyone? If I read the article correctly the Sig Sauer guns in question were legally bought in the US and then bought by a legal dealer in Mexico. There is no evidence the guns came directly from Germany so it seems the dealers circumvented the export laws in place. Does that make Sig Sauer negligent or some how liable I am not sure.
ReplyDelete@3:02 Juan Pendejo, Sig Sauer needed export permit, they did not sell these weapons on the US to a legal permitted customer, they EXPORTED THEM ILLEGALLY FROM THE US...that makes them liable even in germ-any...
Delete--If guns kill or not, does not even have anything to do with this yet, stop being a NRA nuthugger and a PENDEJO...
--it seems to be more important for you to defend guns than the murder of a courageous woman betrayed by the facking state government of chiguauguau and the nalgas mantecosas de su pinche "zeta gobernador"...
--and marisela's son accused the brother of Rubi Marisol's murderer of being the actual murderer, he is an El Paso gangbanger, I guess he is still free and stalking marisela's son, coincidentally, el paso police "can't do anything either" until he finishes the "job"...
Sept 3, 3:02AM
DeleteA defective gun could kill a person so in some cases guns DO kill people and not people.
You have a better chance of being struck and killed by lightning than a defective German made gun 4:35. Most deaths "caused" by defective guns turn out to be the irresponsible actions of a defective shooter.
DeleteIf Escobedo was wearing Nike running shoes maybe she could have out ran El Wicked. Oh snap so let's sue the shoe maker too while we are at it. Or maybe the construction company who made the curb she tripped over. At the end of the day 10:44 I don't really care whether the lawsuit has merit and who is "liable". Regardless I won't lose any sleep over it tonight or any other night. You can lash out at me all you want but the fact remains if Mexico had a NRA like my country maybe you could hug on their nuts like I can. My forefathers fought and died so my country men could have the right to bear arms to protect themselves. Can you say the same?
DeleteSig Sauer has some guns made, assembled as the price for selling their shit on the US, but they can be made in North Korea too...
Delete--When Canadian shitty dirty oils spill all over the US, it will not be the problemo of the canadians, it will not be the problemo of the oil companies, (they are too busy being greedy and making money to spread on the hands of lobbyistas to give some to US lawmakers)...
--It will be the problemo of the stupid americans who allowed it to happen and will have to eat all the shit...for some promises of jobs, money, progress...the usual...
--now it is up to some geniuses who apologise for guns, and the NRA to make it not so, or not...the same principles of corruption work all over the US...
There are laws, persons with weakened or corrupt or defective minds are not to posess weapons, other person with minds weakened by greed with malice or both do not give a fack about the law or the public or anyhing, fackiu, tell it to the judge...
Delete--The NRA will fix shit somehow, oops, they've suggested more guns already!!!
juan pistolas i agree,the gun n where it came from dont matter,it is what it is,at the end of the day,it was just another day in the life of los mexicanos,lawsuit or not ,these two are dead and it's sad nobody is doing anything about it bato.
DeleteUn Vato De La Sierra.
So a man from Germany will sue a German company.
ReplyDeleteGood for him, good man.
I just wish an American citizen filed a lawsuit against US gunmakers who profit 100 times more than German gunmakers from the war on drugs in Mexico..
(WASHINGTON POST, April 22, 2005) "The Washington D.C. Court of Appeals ruled yesterday that gunmakers can be sued for shootings in the District of Columbia.. carried out with automatic weapons...Passed in 1990, the law makes the manufacturer, dealer or importer of any assault weapon or machine gun strictly liable for the damages arising from injuries or deaths resulting from the firearm's discharge in the District of Columbia. The court said that only individuals, not the District as an entity, have the right to sue companies under the strict liability act. ..Evidence must link the gun used in the shooting to a specific manufacturer -- no easy feat if, as is often the case, the weapon is not recovered. And, although the statute covers a range of firearms, it identifies them by specific model names and numbers. That, some legal experts said, could provide a loophole if a company were to modify a model name or number."
DeleteK-K
Your calling us out, yes!
DeleteHigley paid lobbyistas always make sure there are loopholes all over the place, to hide a little piece of shit here, and another there and so on and on and on...
Delete9:39 Judicial activism at it's worst right there.
DeleteThis is ridiculous, we should sue Mexico for the millions of crimes their citizens commit in the U.S.!
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely pathetic,publicity for this kind of idiocy?Why not enforce law and order in Mexico?Once again poor victimised Mexico?
DeleteMaybe Japan should file a lawsuit against the US for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagazaki? Ignorant people who generalize like you, give us Americans a really bad rep. SMH
Delete@8:19 Hey stupid not all citizens of Mexico are criminals
DeleteGenocidal mass murderers usually murder those who had the less to do with any reason to get murdered...after japan's surrender, the US rebuilt Japan for the japanese war profiteers, some of which supplied the japanese war machine in cahoots with "American industrial businessmen" and General Dugout Doug at the head of the enterprise, because he loooved the beautiful surviving japonesitas I mean Geishas...
Delete--Keep showing the looove, the NRA thanks you, nuthugger!
Where did you even get that idea from? Can you provide proof that a lot of Mexicans are criminals? Because it is the case that undocumented immigrants actually commit LESS crimes than native citizens in the US.
DeleteWell Stephanie, I would expect it to be less since there are 300 million or so legal citizens of the US. However, undocumenteds shouldn't commit any since it isn't their Country; poor guest behavior.
DeleteThe PROPORTION of mexican illegal criminals still is lower than the percentage of other races is even white honkis...
DeleteStephanie- I don't believe your claim (what about unsolved crimes we don't know who comitted) but consider even 1 crime committed by illegal aliens that aren't supposed to be here is 1 more than we would've had if our border was secure.
DeleteNew sigs are made in the US.
ReplyDeleteIf they banned sig why didn't they ban HKs from being imported they were in trouble for the same reason a while ago
ReplyDeleteThe mother and daughter were finally reunited. RIP
ReplyDeleteA sad story and once again Mexico has no capital punishment but the criminals don't care the do apply the death penalty.
The accused nurderer of Marisela Escobedo died in chihuahua prison, the murderer of Marisol died in zacatecas killed by mexican army, but gov cesar.duarte made off with millions of pesos AND DOLLARS, and a money laundering bank, BANORTE...
DeleteThe woman's story is insane. Confession and leading the police to the body and theres a lack of evidence. Is this judge still a sitting judge? Did Borderland Beat cover this story at some point?
ReplyDeleteBB did cover the story, search the archives
Deleteyes, about a dozen posts. In the post above there are hyperlinks to some of the posts, or in the seach bar type marisela escobedo or rubi escobedo and they should come up
DeleteGuns don't kill people. People with guns kill people.
ReplyDeleteIf, guns don’t kill people, people kill people, then toothpaste doesn’t get people's teeth clean, people get their teeth clean. Or more succinctly: toothpaste doesn’t clean teeth, people clean teeth. If, we're going to insist that toothpaste isn’t a first-class factor in getting teeth clean, or that the bullet and the gun aren’t the first-class factors in killing people via shooting them, we're nada minus que bien hartos y putamente caprichos. Ads for toothpaste and guns don't say: "Well, these tools don’t really work any better than any other theoretical tool that might kill people or clean teeth." Billboards don't tell us "No Worries! Without guns and toothpaste manufacturers, you'll all do just fine on your own killing people and cleaning teeth."
DeletePeople's belief in ads about any product's use is that the item will improve our ability to do what we want to do, versus not having it. The advertising beliefs around guns are wrong. If, guns don’t kill people, then guns are useless, they are ineffective, they are no more effective than the next, existing, available option for killing your neighbor,yeah?
(Credit to Clowny, 2011)
Exactly!! What happened to making the person using the gun responsible for their actions. Or even the government responsible for their failure to protect it's citizens from narcos. Maybe Sig should start a campaign in Mexico showing that every law bidding citizen should be armed with a Sig so those citizens won't be victims. Or even giving away free Sig P226's to whoever wants one. Sig should show the Mexican government how inept they are at governing the population. Sig Sauer has the money and the resources to make the Mexican government look worse in the international media than they already do.
DeleteHahahaha...5:29..I dont think anyone can or will say it any better than that.
Delete5:29 your Schizophrenic comparison of guns and toothpaste doesn't change the fact that dumbassses with guns kill people not a inanimate object. Place a gun on a shelf locked and loaded it does nothing until a hand manipulates it. Just like the toothbrush with toothpaste cleans no teeth until a hand picks it up and places it in ones mouth. A gun does what it is made to do and that's to be an powerful offensive weapon. A toothbrush is meant to clean teeth but yet it has been used millions of times as a homemade shank in the prison system throughout the world. You can keep your incoherent ramblings while I will keep my guns thank you. Oh yeah before you start calling me a NRA nuthugging Republican I will put that to rest by telling you I am a tree hugging bleeding heart liberal from Texas who loves his guns.
DeleteYour probably right 5:29 and 8:26 but when the shit hits the fan I would much rather go out blasting with my pistolas than brushing my teeth.
DeleteSmith & Wesson.....Colt
ReplyDeleteOk so german citizen sues german company and the money is kept in germany for that citizen or sent to mexico to the remaining family members of Doña Marisela.. Every law abiding citizen in mexico should be allowed to carry a firearm and that my friends would end all this chaos.... Like Mr Alejo was able to defend himself and his ranch GUESS WHY he had rifles and amunition.... He shot back and that changed the grand scheme of things.... An even advantage is all that my family members ask for no more no less.....
ReplyDeleteThe "rule of law" or estado de Derecho can NOT allow or tolerate any mexican citizen taking the law on their hands, mainly because the US animal protection society protects the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia...
Delete--the US has no stomach for any more revolutionary mexican narco-comunistas, Don alejo was enough...
--But some 24 year old guy from a Ortiz Soriano family, in nieves zacatecas (aka Francisco R Murgia) also shot zetas and killed and wounded and made them run away when they came to his family home to "get" their weapons, 2 setas dead on the spot, one red RAM Truck left behind, aguascalientes plates..., plus two clandestine funerals next day in Trancoso Zac, south of the capital city, Zacatecas and in Rio Grande zac, north of Fresnillo...4 zetas killed by one guy... he escaped alive...
--El Universal, by corresponsal Irma Mejia, lunes 07 de Marzo 2011/ Temen venganza de los zetas...
Piwi worked out a strategy with Policia Federal and 11thZone commanders to kick Z's out of county plazas in Zacatecas. The meetings took place on the outskirts of El Plateado.
ReplyDeletePiwi worked out of El Plateado on his offensive when he started the urban war in Villanueva. When most Z's were defeated in Zacatecas someone betrayed Piwi and he was shot.
En su ultimo dia de vida los soldados cogieron a Piwi con los calzones abajo y le dieron piso al igual que el ordenó mataran a Doña Marisela.
Today Piwi is dead most like killed by a German imported weapon carried by the soldiers.
The war here is the powerful sgainst the defenseless civilians.
Mexican senators should be killed like fogs for not acting to call the war acts of terrorism snd for not modifying tge constitution to allow all Mexican citizens to carry weapons in these desperate times.
Non nationals (US) can carry weapons but, nit the sctual Mexican citizens.
Que en paz descande Ruby y Marisela. Chihuahua and Zacatecas corrupted goverment are responsible for their deaths
A Piwi lo cogieron con calzones abajo alla en El Plateado, Zacatecas.
ReplyDeleteHis strategy to kick Z's out of the county plazas in Zacatecas worked out after killings on both sides took place. In the end CDG won, Z's kicked out or joined CDG and Piwi shot in the ear.
Good luck with that. As if Germany will care about anything a country in disarray is saying. Sure blame the manufacturers not the cartels. Blame the Car manufacturerer for the car they drove. Let's throw in their wardrobes too. Let's try to put the world out of business and keep the cartels. Great idea! Goons.
ReplyDelete@7:08 et al, Well, you better stick to what you do best, hug the nuts of the merchants of death, the weapons manufacturers, those that supply both sides of every conflict they also start and feed all the way to hell, its being all a "business" justifies all the death in your world, i guess...from my world, chinguen a su madre...
Delete2:10 AM: you make some legitimate points, there, sir. It seems like it is a tradition with banks and the weapons manufacturers to arm and finance both sides at war. Business is the world's new religion. Life isn't as valuable as money is to arms traffickers or the man with the suitcase. I am an optimist. I trust the death merchants own karma's to eat them alive. All the $ in the world can't buy off karma.
DeleteLike yOur attitude 12:00 ABOUT KARMA.
DeleteI own a Glock (Austrian) but since I'm not a POS,, no one has been killed by it.
DeleteAmazing how people today want to blame everyone & everything for their own s**tty behavior. It's not them, it's YOU!
They did blame porsche for that fast and furious guy.. The world we live in. We are all fucked
ReplyDeleteLA VOZ, 4 Sept) " A popular German firearm used in multiple murders connected with the Los Zetas criminal organization is at the center of a recent lawsuit in Mexico. Jürgen Grässlin, a German anti-gun activist filed court documents against the weapons maker SIG Sauer for illegal weapons exports, according to a German news agency. This is the second suit against the company for weapons exports to Latin America. Marisela Escobedo, an activist in Mexico, was murdered in 2010 after being shot in the head with a 9mm Sig Sauer weapon, court documents show. “ .. A member of Los Zetas killed Escobedo with the German weapon, as well as 11 other people, according to court documents. The case brought by Grässlin .. helped shed light on the fact that for the past 15 years the German gun manufacturer has not been granted an export license to Mexico. The German government does not export weapons to Chihuahua. Reports say that the gun used in Escobedo’s killing was made in SIG Sauer’s U.S. plant and shipped to Mexico.
ReplyDeleteHere's the link:
http://blog.chron.com/lavoz/2015/09/gun-maker-sued-over-los-zetas-cartel-murders/#33348101=0
You got a valid point 6:36 but if the fingers aren't being pointed at the US it won't be a popular discussion for some of these pendejos.
ReplyDeleteCommon sense goes out the window in topics such as this..You need only look at the arguments in this thread?
ReplyDeleteHysterical accusations of every sort..
Meanwhile people,who are ultimately to blame for their own actions could care less where a gun comes from as long as it bangs chunks of lead when the finger commands?
5:20 one lawsuit at a time, file yours, DO NOT BE A PENDEJO...
ReplyDelete--DO NOT JUST DEFEND SIG SAUER GERMANY OR SIG SAUER US a lo pendejo...
--sue the US for allowing the mexico-china trade, the US will at least allow it...
--involve Internet bloggers, and sue and denounce the war profiteers and the money launderers, and the politicians and lobbyistas that cook the OK for all the illegal trades, including the trafficking of persons like mexican guatemalan, honuduran, el salvadoran, even al qaeda and ISIS membas, the US may allow almost any lawsuit to proceed, do not be a pendejo, there are billions of dollars there there in the justice trades...but you need not be a PENDEJO, YOU CAN USE ALL THE MONEY TO PROPAGANDISE WEAPONS, TO SELL THEM TO MEXICANS, AND TO DEFEND THE NRA ET AL...IF YOU WASN'T SUCH A PENDEJO...
They need to charge the guy at the barbacoa stand as well. His product is killing people. Never mind that people make a choice to use the product responsibly or not. As for Marisela, shouldn't they be charging the idiot security that conveniently let their guard down at the precise moment she was killed?
ReplyDeleteTypical stupid liberal charges. Hey, let's blame the gun! Why stop there?? What brand of car did he use to drive that day? What did he eat for breakfast? In the U.S. you can't sue a gun manufacturer or ammo company. If you try, you will spend millions like some of the families of the aurora Colorado theater shooting. They were told by the Brady Campaign to sue the company that makes the ammo. Now that family not only lost, they have to pay the ammo companies legal fees. Put the blame where it belongs, the bad person who did it. Murder is illegal already.
ReplyDeleteIf a hitman wants to kill someone, there is not much anyone can do to stop him. Thats why they do this for a profession and if you kill 12 people, i have doubt that the abstence of Sig Sauer Pistols would have made much of a difference.
ReplyDeletePersonaly i don't like Sig Sauer Pistols very much.