By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com
As many as 30 armed suspects have been killed in an apparent intergang gun battle in western Mexico state Sunday, according to several Mexican news accounts.
A news account published on the website of El Economista late Sunday say that gunfights between armed gangs associated with Los Zetas and Michoacan state based Los Caballeros Templarios ended in an area known as El Cerro de la Culebra, which is adjacent to Michoacan state.
News reports also indicate elements of the Mexican Army may have also been involved in the fighting. Reports say many of the dead have been removed from the scene, which a common practice with Los Zetas.
A report published on the website of El Sol de Zacatecas news daily said that fighting began at around 1500 hrs Sunday afternoon in Luvianos municipality. As of publication no security forces have entered into the battle area which also includes Cerro de la Campana and Caja de Agua.
South central and western Mexico have been undergoing a number of security incidents, such as in Jalisco, Michoacan and Guerrero states. Uncredited news reports have indicated that Los Zetas are undergoing a internal struggle for power, which may leave the criminal gang vulnerable to attack from their rivals.
This latest bloody incident has not yet been confirmed by local authorities, but if it is confirmed it will be one of the bloodiest confrontations since last spring's intergang war in northern Sinaloa state which claimed by this writer's count, the lives of 57 over 10 days. That gun battle included a number of drug cartels including Los Zetas, Beltran-Leyva and Juarez cartels against the Sinaloa drug cartel.
Chris Covert writes Mexican Drug War and national political news for Rantburg.com
I thought it was LFM and CTs going at it with LFM getting the bad end of the stick??
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and it has begun .
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El Chapo is sick he's been sick for about 2 weeks prepare for a fight for leadership of cartel de Sinaloa (CDS)
ReplyDeleteHow do you know this?
DeleteWhat Fight EL Mayo is the other leader quit making stuff up
Deleteyea the sinaloa is more organized and have there next leaders lined up and ready. its mostly family. and if hes supposedly sick than hes looking for a way out so they stop looking for him. but if anything they will put there best out there to prevent any intruders. but lets hope they kill themselves
DeleteI know because he's throwing up blood and needs a doctor and nursing staff at all times. He's trying to handle it like a man but people are already talking about getting promoted, señor Mayo is not a leader of Sinaloa cartel him and El Señor are friends and do business together but they both have separate companies. Watch for high tankers to start getting apprehended and killed. I don't talk out of my ass
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Holy Hell!!!!......Here we GO.
ReplyDeleteZetas vs ct the killing has begun hope fully this ends quick hate too say but zetas seem luke only cartel wit plan they dont even leave bodsy you will mever know when they die I see zetas running mexico before the year ends the still have three leaders still callin shots I think they have grown alot more the people think two year ago they were recruiting people like sport scouts
ReplyDeletethe zetas take there dead. the majority of the bodies were taken. that means the zetas got there asses whooped! so theyre losing. the templarios are sticking to there word. but fuck all cartels when the hell will we start to see the military kill 30 cartel members??? theyre the ones that need to start killing these bastards. if the military hits the cartels hard every day theyll win this war because they wont give the crime bosses time to think! but its obvious the one who sends the mex troops out is on the cartel payroll. all they do is bust weed fields kill a couple sicarios and randomly catch a boss every now and than. ....makes you think...
DeleteYeah not so much.....Zetas won't run Mexicoby the end of the year I bet.
DeleteEL Chapo is not sick idiot i seen his yesterday at the white house with obama he is better than ever and looks like he's in his late 40s
ReplyDeleteEl Chapo is relly sick you stupid asshole..He has Cancer & may not live long.
DeleteYes he is replacing Hilary
DeleteCould this be the answer from the 4decade lady against la puta I mean la Tuta....
ReplyDeleteNice name La Puta..the name says it all about the bastard narco gang boss..LA PUTA.
DeleteEmpieza la limpieza de Los putos zetitas... Van por el 40... CT al 100
ReplyDeleteDe verdad cres eso pendejo los putos de la tuta saben Que no pueden con los Zetas a fuera de Su aria a demás CDJNG LFM los BL están en guerra con ustedes los verdadero lacraz son los CT... la puta Lo save Que solos no pueden por eso está de lambe huevos con los de CDJNG y los de Cds CDG por que en una guerra total con los Zetas ustedes solos no pueden Aver entren le a coahuila Nuevo Ladero o asta SLP y sí fueron los Zetas al menos tienen los huevos para ir a ustedes de seguro los regresan sin cabeza con Su casco de plastico todavía puesto Chivis let him know how it is in the real world do you think there capable of even going to coahuila or Nuevo Ladero in convoy?
DeleteIt was CT's vs LFM.
ReplyDeleteeverybody thought the knights templars or la familia was weak , fool you didn't it... i tryed to tell u knights templars or la familia is just as big as any of the other cartels and just as crazy.... if anybody remembers la familia was the first cartel to do the beheadings (dance floor club)
ReplyDeleteNobody intervene. Just let these narco lowlives kill each other!!!
ReplyDeleteThis is probably a dumb question, but does Mexico not have any airborne units on standby around the country to respond to situation like this ?
ReplyDeleteIt just seems nuts that a situation like this can happen at 3 o'clock on a Sunday afternoon in a modernized country and continue long enough for 30 to be killed.
I'm with Chivo on this, the people who claim they are trying to bring peace safety to Mexico need to start getting serious with this shit.
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@12:41am
ReplyDeleteYes they do. Several stories have been covered here on blb of armored vehicles being obliterated from the sky by Mexican military and marines.
Airborne units are paratroopers/air assault not attack helicopters or jet pilots.
DeleteNow that leadership of the zetas is being shacken, the ct is taking advantage and taking as many z's as possible. The main sicarios are after z40, because he has become more exposed than before. The ct's are known to have a massive military, scattered all around michoacan. They also have a lot of support by the locals, givingng them intel.
ReplyDeleteal 100? please quit saying that shit..... it sounds so stupid,, copy cat..
ReplyDeleteLets vote, how many of you are in mex?
ReplyDeleteI used to think the same thing August 27, 2012 12:41 AM until I realized that the military, many times, does not want to get involved because they are on one side or the other. The military is as corrupt as anyone else in Mexico.
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ReplyDeleteTo dissuade Cárdenas from shooting them, Fuentes and DuBois showed their FBI credentials, but he said Cárdenas just grinned and said he didn't care. Fuentes said he had a shot, but less than a foot of clearance. After a very tense standoff, with Cárdenas' men having raised their guns to fire on several occasion, the agents and the informant were all escorted out of Matamoros and told not to return.
"Had that been today, we would've been dead," said Fuentes.
Cárdenas was eventually captured by the Mexican military in 2003 and extradited to the U.S.
At the conference, the executive director of the Transborder International Police, Trinidad Salazar, said Fuentes is "a very distinguished individual. Even after this incident, he stayed in Mexico."
Fuentes accepted a transfer to Mexico City in 2005, but was told to leave in 2007 because the cartel still wanted to kill him.
Cárdenas pleaded guilty to conspiracy and drug charges. After his cooperation with the U.S. government, he received 25 years at a "supermax" prison. According to Fuentes, Cárdenas said he regrets not killing him and DuBois in Matamoros that day.
Although this story resulted in the capturing of a big drug lord, Special Agent Paul Wendorf of the San Antonio Division of the FBI in a neighboring conference room reminded people that drug-related killings have actually increased in the past few years.
"The better job law enforcement does, the more violent drug cartels get," said Wendorf.
Wendorf said it is difficult for Mexican law enforcement officers to do their jobs — they are poorly paid and poorly equipped. In contrast, "the cartel is doing a great job equipping their people," Wendorf said.
He said the cartel also is not bound by red-tape and politics like the U.S. law enforcement, which makes their ability to operate across the border much easier.
Texas Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples said in his keynote speech on the first day of the conference that for those on the ground, it is very much a war zone.
Fuentes story was a very vivid reminder that there are some for whom this is a daily fight and many give their lives for it.
At one point Oziel Cárdenas Guillén told Agent Fuentes: Just let me have that snitch; and Fuentes refused. That's the way it came out in the News a few days later.
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ReplyDeleteTells conference he is fortunate to be alive
By Monique Ching
Posted August 22, 2012 at 8:35 p.m.
SAN ANGELO, Texas — By the second day of the Transborder Narco-Terrorism conference at Angelo State University, issues such as drug trafficking, border control and investigations were being covered from many directions. For those to whom it all begins to sound systematic and repetitive, there was Special Agent Daniel Fuentes of the FBI and his gritty, detailed account of a standoff with Osiel Cárdenas-Guillén's gang in Matamoros, Tamaulipas, Mexico, in November 1999.
Fuentes and his partner, Joe DuBois, met with a Mexican informant in Brownsville on Nov. 9 so the informant could take them through a neighborhood and show them where different drug lords lived.
As they entered one of the neighborhoods, Fuentes said they noticed a Dodge Ram pickup tailing them, which they eventually lost on the main road. They went to another house in a different district, but then they were followed by a maroon Grand Marquis.
Fuentes said they called the commander of the municipal police to send help, but he could tell they were delaying. "We pull over, the guy pulls over, but he never gets out of the car ... adrenaline is rising ... we're about to get surrounded," Fuentes told his audience at ASU.
Eventually they found themselves being followed by six cars. Fuentes, knowing that something was about to happen, told the police to keep an open phone line with them. Finally, a Jeep Cherokee pulled up beside their car and Fuentes said the informant knew it was Cárdenas.
Cárdenas, who was known as "el mata amigos" or "the friend killer," was notorious for being a coldblooded killer. One of his many victims included his friend and partner, Salvador Herrera, who he disposed of after the expulsion of Juan García Ábrego, the previous leader of the Gulf Cartel.
Fuentes and DuBois, now surrounded by 12 to 15 people, identified themselves with their diplomatic passports. "There was a lot of yelling, a lot of cussing," Fuentes said, "Then Osiel was coming to my window. Was I afraid? Absolutely."
He said in that short period of time, he felt like all his senses were heightened. "Your body does weird stuff when you enter a crisis situation," said Fuentes. He said he could even see the scratches on the gun that Cárdenas was pointing at him.
30 is a good start, maybe the US needs to send more guns to heat things up a little.
ReplyDeleteRight on just exterminate each other off this planet, good job keep it up I'm right here watching eatting popcorn
ReplyDeleteWow the Zeatas even risk more by retreaving their dead! that most deffenatly says something about their tactics! im convinced that the zetas will come out victorious on this one, i mean yea its Caballeros Templarios,CDG,CDS,CJNG,Cartel La Resistencia,the Military plus DEA aginst The ZETAS but these guys have there own alies so its all them guy's vs Los ZETAS,Beltran Leyva,Carillo Fuentes and El Cartel Millenium. Los ZETAS and Beltran Leyva Cartel weekend if not almost destroyed the very famous "Los Antrax" from CDS that says something right there! Los Antrax have unlimmited money,guns,man power and military help and still cant take these guys out! This will be yet onother victory for "La Ultima Letra" yes thats right im cheerleading dont act like you mother fucker dont!
ReplyDeleteI call bullshit for those that claim that the CT is on the war path against the Z40 and use this as an example.
ReplyDeleteFirst off CT cannot effectively perform paramilitary outside of Michoacan and its immediate surroundings.
Case in point, this fire fight occured on the Michoacan-Mex State border, while Nuevo Laredo is 1000 miles away, LOL!!!
The Zs are getting closer to threatening Lazaro Cardenas Seaport, the crown jewel of Michoacan territory, not to mention that every single southern cartel is on the hunt for its capture, from CJNG, Sinaloa, LFM, BL and every single Guerrero Cartel, so now you all may understand the reasoning behind La Tuta's call for war against Z40, because he is feeling the Z encroaching on CT sphere of influence to the north in Jalisco, Mexico State to the west, and if only the Z and BL can convice 1 or 2 cartels operating in Guerrero to unite and share the spoils of Michoacan, then that is it for both LFM and CT.
Stay tuned, because whoever has both Manzanillo and Lazaro Cardenas seaports, essentially has control of the majority of cocaine and synthetic drug precursor importation on the western coast. Right now CJNG has Manzanillo on behalf of Sinaloa Cartel, and CT has Lazaro Cardenas but both are feeling the heat from Z alliance, so if they fall into the hands of Z there will be a major shift of power, no matter what anyone claims to the contrary.
No favoritism, just an objective analysis.
You oviously didnt hear about those 10 other LFM members killed in an ambush by CT members in Mexico City. One of them was a high ranking member. This happened about 2 months ago.
Deletewhats CT?
ReplyDeleteKnights Templar ( caballeros templarios)
Deletehahaha scum cartels hell has a nice corner for these scum
ReplyDeleteCt along with any other southern cartels, do not have much inffluence anywhere but in those regions.those cartels are new by cartel standards and need northern mexico alliances to move their product thru northern plazas and into us! Prime example cts has to pay tax when moving thru tj,and if they dnt their product gets either stolen,confiscated and their men arrested or killed! Wats da point of making a ton of meth if u cant move it to us?
ReplyDeleteBiggest meth bust in the US happened in the bay area in cali dumbass. And it was CTs. Its funny how every counts these guys out. Chapos coke is going out of style with these tweekers and now he wants to take the Michoacanos out if biz. All of CJNG hyrachy are Michoacanos from tle Milelo cartel that fled to Jalisco when La Familia came into power in Mich. Zeta and Mileno heads where rolling on the dancefloor. Sad all other cartels folowed the trend. Now its a bullet to the back of the head.
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Hey chiludo da only dumbass is u,for not reading my post correctly,reread my post and then comment, which border do u think dat meth went thru,u obviously dnt know how it works en las fronteras y sus plazas! Let me help u, when u move serious weight los duenos de la merca siempre se arreglan con los duenas de la plaza fronteriza para evitar bajada, arrestos or any other type of problem dat might impede da shipment going thru to us!! Los cts or any other cartel dats not based in las fronteras have to pay tax!!!
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ReplyDeleteMy point exactly!! When have you ever heard of CT ambushing, executing, or effecting an armed operation outside of Michoacan's immediate surroundings.
For example MataZetas operate in Veracruz on seek and destroy missions. Z's have a presence throughout Western Mexico, but to be more exact they are definitely operating in Nayarit and are making a move to take Jalisco. CDG are contesting Zacatecas, Sinaloa is wanting to move in on Nuevo Laredo, etc etc.
Before you go for the obvious let me point out that Guanajuato, Jalisco, Guerrero, Mexico State and DF and Morelos are all immediate surroundings.
Im sure other cartels arent stupid enough to call an ild school duel idiot.
DeleteEven ambushes need intel and planning. Their not going to tell you "hey im the contra" So quit that super cartel shit. Al piso a todos putos cateles. Arriva mi lindo Michoacan. Pura sangre de Tarasco y decendiente de heroes Zapatistas.
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One thing that the CT have going for them is the inhospitable terrain of the Michoacan mountains a region that thorughout history has buffered the native population against land assault.
ReplyDeleteOther than that as they move more and more into a politically based position the more and more that they will be a target of a paranoid Mexican Federal Government.
@ August 27, 2012 10:05 AM
ReplyDeletePathetic!
August 27, 2012 6:26 PM
ReplyDeletePURO CULIACAN CÓMPAS .
Hermano,speak on that a bit more.Is that for real?
Is he that sick,life-threatening,it is hard to believe thats all guey.No bullshit to you,just sayin.
@(27th10:05am)My christmas wish is Chapo on a spitroast and a young Zeta halcone is turning him over so he cooks evenly,and around the fire we have all the Capo's from BLO and ZETAZ and all there extended family's socializing amongst each other laughing and having a good ol time. and in the background we got all the Death-squads making a protective circle so the Bosses can have there celebration and finely start feasting on that short lil prick that looks like a pig and acts like one(invading other cartels territory).Oh yeah and his full of stuffing too.
ReplyDelete"My christmas wish is Chapo on a spitroast"
ReplyDeleteWhat,you wanna spit roast Chapo?Kinky,very kinky.
You go ahead and spit roast Chaps and his flaps.
Dont forget,cover up before you go backdoor jammin.Chapo is in touch with his feminine side like you.Smash Chapo all over your bedroom HOMbre.