I have received many emails and comments sent in about this story. "777" of Borderland Beat posted the translation in comments on Ajulio's post. so I decided to go ahead and post it, but I am not convinced they are authentically from CDS. The Narco banners were displayed throughout Guadalajara and signed by Sinaloa. The "El Mencho" mentioned is the leader of The Cartel de Jalisco Nueva Generacion or CJNG.
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"What were you waiting for Mencho, You and the Alvarez are finished with
Jalisco Scum kidnappers you know that we Sinaloans do not like that" Sincerely, Sinaloa People |
Additionally, a letter was issued to all that are responsible for the acts that harm innocents committed in the state of Jalisco; namely Los Zetas, the chief of SSP and the Cartel de Jalisco Nueva Generación (CJNG) the text is directly below:
"This letter is addressed to Nemesio Oceguera Cervantes, El Mencho, leader of Cártel de Jalisco Nueva Generación. What did you expect Mencho that only by saying you were associated with us you were?
Going to save yourself from paying for all the injustices you were committing in Jalisco? Now that you finished, what are you and the other 2 rats gonna do?
To the general public we (Cartel de Sinaloa) would like you to know that we do not associate with people like Mencho and the Alvarez's (Ramon Alvarez Ayala (R-1) and Rafael Alvarez (R2).
They dedicate themselves to kidnapping, robbing, extortion, charging quotas and killing innocent people (the majority businessmen who don't pay the quotas) they try to live an honest life. That is why we want to clarify that we don't approve of the way this trash operates and never will approve of it. And that is why just like they don't forgive innocent people that they kidnap and collect big ransoms and still kill them, they will not be forgiven.
And you Luis Carlos Nájera Gutiérrez, secretary of public safety in the state of Jalisco.
What are you going to do now??? Don't try to deny your good friend Mencho. Or have you
forgotten that recently you would move him around in helicopters from your office. Not only would you move him away from places where he was in danger but also take him to reunions and dinners made by the filthy Cartel de Jalisco Nueva Generacion.
Remember that not too long ago you would brag about being close to Mencho and you would put up to a third of your officers to serve an protect him at the meetings he would assist. Don't forget that everything falls by it's own weight."
Atte. THE SINALOA CARTEL
In a separate story, the Federal Attorney General, Marisela Morales stated from a national conference that the violence was from infighting and other cartels attempting to seize control of territories where there are disputes. Further the intelligence services of the country revealed the Los Zetas cartel has been divided and there is now a struggle for control of the territories and between and Heriberto Lazcano Lazcano, El Lazca, Miguel Angel Treviño Morales, the Z-40.
CDS must be cash-strapped,thats one of the crapiest looking Narco-mantas ive ever did see...Or its Fake.
ReplyDeleteWell shit hit the fan for the CDJNG fan boyz what happened to "CDJNG will always be for the people not kidnapped innocent people and just wanted to to there business and that there always gonna be loyal to el "señor" chaputo" what a joke yall become to be... told you they were just nut huggers to shorty thinking they were invisible so what now yall gonna come out with the alias "mata chapos" under yall belt its an all out war Z vs Z CDJNG vs Z,CT,Cds,BLO maybe CDG since there with the cds than u got CT vs Z,CDJNG,BLO,nd other cartels but I'm not a big conspiracy guy but phase #1 for foreign intervention CHAOS the country than you have all this Dea FBI Cia running all around MX why because some short little greedy man wasn't good enough with just Sinaloa nd the golden triangle instead wanted all of MX a war that started before Calderón came into office it was during the Fox years when Chapo wanted TJ CH, nd Ladero for himself which cause the war
ReplyDeleteAnd how do you know this u got no sources
DeleteChapo is a traidor.jalisco doesnt have kidnappings or extorsions behalfs CJNG ...chapo just betrayed the cartel that helped him invade veracruz michoacana,guerrero, etc .... Chapo becarefull CJNG will take u out....CAF 10-5 INGE
DeleteHow the hell can they take him out if not even the damn zetas can...no mames
DeleteThey could try but they could keep control of Jalisco and places they have influence in just like the CT and entrench them selves and defend instead of going on a head on war
DeleteZetas carrillos Nd btranez control.sinaloa. So what makes.u think that chapo wont be taken out soon?
Delete@12:25 Your exactly right there,its that greedy little treacherous prick of a man they call EL Chapo guzman,why do you think they wanna send in the NavySeals....because it was EL chapo that started all this.greedy lil bastard!!!
ReplyDeleteThe message is translated wrong, it should be translated as: "What were you expecting Mencho. You and los Alvarez have finished Jalisco. Scum kidnappers, you know that us Sinaloans do not like that. Sincerely Sinaloa People."
ReplyDeleteThese are fake guaranteed
ReplyDeleteThis could be Zetas attempting to cause havoc between Sinaloa and CJNG. But I've also been hearing Sinaloa wants more control over CJNG. CJNG and Sinaloa fighting only opens the door to the Zetas. I'm guessing they'll come to a resolution in order to maintain their dominance in Jalisco.
ReplyDeleteby the looks of it, it seems like all the cartels are struggling bad. los zetas splitting in three el lazca, z-40 & el talivan, el chapo not on good terms with CJNG and CT. CJNG vs CT is pretty bloody. its almost like the Mexican Military is going to use this to hit every cartel hard and not givem a chance to breathe!!! i hope so! Mexico needs Peace!
DeleteUr exactly right I have a source who says the mantas were put by the zetas to make it sound like a struggle like the zetas are havin dont believe it CDs and cjng still hunting zss with el talivan!
DeleteCDJNG? ive never trusted those fellows with there Mata Zetas crap,ever since they brought in those poor lil piggys in and one wearing a pink bra, what happened to that piggy with the bra? wasnt that weird?lol...
ReplyDeleteThat was CDG not CJNG genius haha
DeleteChapo...JSTFU!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat will the new Zeta cartel be called?
ReplyDeletePGR... Pura gente recia... Lol idk just a thought
DeleteLos Xs & Ys jk idk - twister
DeleteThe root of the problem is guys like Luis Carlos Nájera Gutiérrez, secretary of public safety - corrupt and rotten. This is why progress is never made.
ReplyDeleteIt's turning into a big soap opera reality show, so much drama with real cheerleaders as actors. Some film producer needs to produce some movies.
ReplyDeleteIt's " what were you waiting for?" Esperaba is in the imperfect tense ( on going action in the past)
ReplyDelete5:16-Thanks I believe you are correct..Chivis
ReplyDeleteWell chivis, you were completely wrong about listening to that jackass yesterday who was saying that cjng is and always will be part of cds. Looks like that dude does not know shit obviously.
ReplyDeleteI love the ppl who correct chivis and others. If you are such a scholar then why don't you translate and post articles instead of being an annoying prick.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you so offended if someone corrects Chivis? No offense to Chivis but her/his Spanish is not at the level of a native speaker so its only natural that some one who is would correct him/her. Chivis does a good job. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes
DeleteLooks fake..the banner reads "sinaloas"..and sinaloans don't call themselves "sinaoloas" they call themselves sinaloenses.
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I agree ^^
DeleteI heard Zs are the ones who put them up, if you guys remember there were a convoy of Zs spotted in Jalisco last week and also Zs are known form doing fake mantas like when they tried to blame CDG for 49 bodies in caderayta
It could be what were you waiting for or expecting as well. It doesn't change the context much and it is the imperfect.
ReplyDeleteThe bigger question Matazetas and el chapo split and how does all this tie in with PRI? That is the story
I have family in Jalisco and since the cdjng took over theirs been a lot more kidnaps and extortion going on. So I think that banner has some credit. Plus el mencho is from michuacan and that's what there famouse for.
ReplyDeleteThis is typical snitchaloa way of operating. He uses them and when he gets what he wants he fuck em over. Now that these nimrods got run over he said "oh they arent part of us" we dont do bad stuff. How gave these gullable goofs all that fire power? It was el chaputa and el miado. Twofaced cowards! Like i said before its the way they operate.
ReplyDeleteIf you read the first paragraph you will see I did not translate this. there is a hyperlink to the post. It was AJ on forum.
ReplyDeleteThat said, it was not bad IMO. It held the integrity of the message. I will say when it is someone else's translation or mine see the bottome of the KTs dumps 11 post, it says by chivis.
But:
I welcome corrections if it to correct wording that changes the meaning or context. However, if the translation conveys the communication albeit misses the tense or another flaw without changing the meaning then I think perhaps you should forgive me or anyone and overlook it.
Mistakes will happen thats a garantee. We translate spanish for the ELS to know what is happening in the story and if we do that we have hit our goal.
I envy Vato and his translation skills, clearly that is not me. But if I am convinced that my mistakes throws off the story I will stop and just post spanish. I don't think it is like that. Thanks everyone....paz, chivis
Bottom line, it's a big damn mess! Only the insiders know the real deal. And i bet the real deal changes daily or by the hour!
ReplyDeletei have family in jalisco and one of my family members business partner just got kidnapped and they made him sign property over for his release. the cops there didn't do a thing. so people shouldn't say there isn't kidnappings cause its happening they just don't report them.
ReplyDeleteFake manta probably put up by CT's or Z's. I have never in my life seen CDS sign a manta with "gente sinaloa". What a joke.
ReplyDeleteI think its neither. It's too crappy.
DeleteCAF 10-5 la neta carnal ya ni se sabe que es cierto que no es cierto esto de las mantas en Jalisco seria mucha estupides para que el chapo le dijera al Mencho ya no somos compas esto se me hace trampa de la letra ademas como se van a poner a decir oh es verdad que este guey del gobierno te trae en helicoptero seria mucha pendejes no crees?
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11:25AM
ReplyDeleteIMO most kidnappings are not reported for a number of reasons. Many killings as well. I would say most People do report kidnappings and missing persons they have no faith in the system and are entrapped by fear.
My friends son was taken a few days ago, he and his car vanished. He, a doctor was travellling from torreon back to saltillo. no ransom demand yet, we think they wanted the car and decided to make him dissapear also, but thats a guess. of the 6 persons I personally know that were taken, 2 families filed reports. One had their business and home burned to the ground and daughter kidnapped. they did not report it but hired private investigators thinking it would be safer.
I am working with a family whose mother from ROma Tx was kidnapped a couple wks back. they did report it on both sides the border. But they are so frustrated. If American citizens think the US will have their back and demand anything on their behalf they are woefully mistaken
I remember the first robbery that ocurred in Mx at my offices which has a group of bodegas on the property. The police not only would not come out to see and document the evidence, (we had video cameras) when we went in they refused to write a report and told us to get better locks. The second time it happened, the guys I always feared at the car wash next door, saw the culprits, jumped in a truck, got them, retrieved our computers and tools and kicked their asses before telling them what would happen if they came back. Its been 3 yrs. There is no system of law and order in Mx it is like the wild west but without guns in the hands of the innocents....Paz, Chivis
nobody on this whole site really actually knows what is going on between the capos, their business, there next .......anything. Were all just looking from the outside. El Chapo Guzman is winning this war and so is the The Great U.S.A and Mexico. All of it for the dirty dollar with pictures and symbols of something we dont wish to comprehend.
ReplyDeleteFake, Chapo would have had Mencho killed already.
ReplyDeleteFake ass banner!!!! I was born in Culiacan and we don't call our selves Sinaloas.....most likely some tweeker doing it for Meth!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThis is so fake. Just by the way its signed att: Gente Sinaloa. Its as if a white person was saying it or some one that doesnt know. It should of been Att: Gente Sinaloense
ReplyDeleteOk so if the Zetas did this how would they know the secretary of public safety was helping the the CDJNG i guess only former menchos employer would know unless the Zetas are good a wire tapping or got it from a direct source and Yea this is a move Chapo would to just ask Barbie why the war in Juárez began
ReplyDelete"i have family in jalisco and one of my family members business partner just got kidnapped and they made him sign property over for his release. the cops there didn't do a thing."
ReplyDeleteWhat I can never understand is why groups of people have not banded together to form paramilitary death squads and take matters into their own hands. In Colombia the AUC was formed by landowners who were sick and tired of the FARC and ELN. By the time they were through they had decimated both groups and controlled large areas of Colombia. Most of the Colombian coast was and is controlled by the AUC. Why hasn't this happened in Mexico?
Because theres no money in it, they figure if they are going to risk their lives they might as well earn decent money. I cant blame them to be honest. What else do they have?
Delete"Its as if a white person was saying it or some one that doesnt know."
ReplyDeleteY'all remember that manta where they signed it Chapo Gusman? I don't think a lot of these manta writers are the cream of the crop education wise to start with.
I'm "white" and at least I know haber starts with an H, acabar doesn't and ya isn't spelled lla. Wow, that alone puts me ahead of 95% of the illiterate manta writers !!
This banner may be real or fake but the truth is there a lot of bad things happening in Jalisco that weren't happening before such as kidnappings, extortion , police getting killed. Cdjng are mostly people from michoacan from what I heard from my fam over in jalisco. But nobody really knows the truth of how this idiots operate. Let's wait and see how this new president handles all this mess.
ReplyDeleteThere have never been banners signed 'Sinaloese' though, you never know, if they were fake, why wouldn't they at least LOOK legit? These are thrown together. LIke the Acapuco fakes, but I've seen the handwritten Sinaloa banners in Juarez, look just like this, minus the signature. How are the banners usually signed? We need do some research. And, it matter what cell, what city, what state, how they will refer to themselves.
ReplyDeletein march of this year i had two cousins kidknapped i wrote bb an email looking for help because we literally could not go to any athurities so we didnt but because of my uncle job people were able to contact people and they were released due tyo it was a mistake from the get go.but alot of things go unreported because it might make things worse
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Who cares if the manta is real or not ... I hope they do send in the navy seal and kill all this fucking narcos .. there all the same sinaloas kill and kidnap just like every other cartel ... Fuck Sinaloa get of this bitches balls.. all I want for Xmas is Chapo dead....
ReplyDeleteDamm I'm pretty sure cdjng they wish that nacho coronel was still alive because he had everything running smooth jalisco nayarit colima
ReplyDeleteThis is the reason chapo had him killed. He used mencho and now he doesn't need him. So just like he did with coronel he'll let the sedena come get him. He's a sneaky conniving lil bastard.. But he gets the job done.hahahahaha
DeleteWho was in Control of Jalisco before Mata Zetas? anybody remember....?
ReplyDeleteWho was in Control of Jalisco before Mata Zetas? anybody remember....?
ReplyDeleteCoronel,wasnt it?Mata Z,There was The Resistance as well.
Now this Mencho cat,all from Coronels crew,before they all broke away into there own crews.Ye man,it gets confusing alright.
If this was Chapo he would of signed with his name..totally false manta.
ReplyDeleteWho ever wrote the manta, I think has some insight because on sat every body reported mencho was caught. And now the ssp reported that he was in the area but got away. In other words they let him go. Another reason a lot of cdjng have been getting arrested so that tells you the Jalisco politicians are not are there side because if there were they would let them operate quietly. But nobody knows whats really going on.
ReplyDeleteSeems like it could be from the Zetas to cause confusion. Also because this manta is poorly done and is what Zetas usually put up.
ReplyDeleteBut it could be CDS because they do blame the Zetas. Im not so sure the Zetas would blame themselves.
Unless this was done by the Zetas under orders from "El Talivan" "Z50". Which would bring heat to him aswell. Unless he did this to heat up the plaza to rid CJNG & other Zetas not from his group.
Or it could be CT/KT to bring the Zetas & CJNG down. And take over Guadalajara plaza.
These are just speculations of mine. Not saying that's what it is. But we'll have to wait for this to get cleared up.
@August 28, 2012 4:40 PM funny thing is that if this happened in your town you wouldn't do it.
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