" Anonymous Experts" Says Body May Not be Lazca ;Another Explains Brain Bullet

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Here is an article that feeds the fake Lazca theory.  Unfortunately these are anonymous sources and unfortunately the provided no evidence to back up their claims.  I had an opportunity to see the software in action resizing for "facial Recognition Technique" photo feature layering and measurement at a head and neck reconstructive surgeons office.  the Measurement between eyes and nostrils etc matched, the only thing we could not see were the ears.  The ears do change as a person ages they elongate.  The most comprehensive study was at the Medical Branch of the University of Rostock in Germany in which they followed children as they aged and thee findings concluded the width remains the same but slowly and steadily ears grow in length. 

 

I will say autopsy reports are notoriously in the eye of the beholder, my fathers had errors in his height and included a remark he had a gall bladder surgical scar.  He had no such scar.  My brother was killed and during the trial there were the findings of our private autopsy, Los Angeles county medical examiner, and a third was the defendants own private autopsy.  None matched. 

 

In this case the anonymous experts were not given any evidence nor spoken to anyone connected to the case, but used the same evidence posted here on BB photos and autopsy report, but with an expert eye.  If in fact they used photo comparative technology, it would have been impressive to include those photos with measurements in this report.  Perhaps that is why as they say no one believes them.  I do agree the bullet that remained in the head was a question in my mind, but I have no knowledge about the subject, maybe one of you can explain how a bullet would not exit, on the other hand the government gained nothing by saying either scenario of not exiting or exiting. 

 

If the DNA is being studied using the DNA sequencing techniques, it will take up to 6 weeks.  United States is conducting the DNA testing as well as Mexico.

 

Have at it...and if I received a good amount of interesting points or personal history with autopsy error etc I will make a post with those....Paz, Chivis

An added post, different view providing  a different interpretation of the "occipital" shot..

"ElDiario/Notimex" (El Diario credits Notimex)  

Saltillo, Coahuila-- Humberto Lazcano, one of the men most wanted by Mexican and U.S. authorities, was a healthy man, without tatoos or surgery, disclosed the Coahuila Attorney General's Office (PGJE; Procuraduria General de Justicia del Estado). 

The general director of Investigative Services of the PGJE, Felipe de Jesus Cobos Aviles, asserted that the leader of the Los Zetas criminal organization did not have a terminal illness.

"There was no characteristic showing he had a coup de grace nor a terminal illness -- the body-- of Humberto (sic) Lazcano Lazcano, El Lazca, he was just a little overweight. He was a healthy man according to the characteristics of the autopsy, and his age characteristics, he had no distinguishing signs of tattoos, or of abdominal or thoracic surgeries," he emphasized.

He said that a person that has a terminal illness has apparent physical characteristics such as loss of weight or drawn features; and when one performs an autopsy one can see whether internal organs are affected.

"He did not show loss of weight, his health condition was normal, his organs had normal characteristics, of course, with damage from gun shots, his liver, heart, kidneys had normal characteristics," he repeated.

"Maybe he had a 'lumbalgia'  when he was struck down by the marines in Progreso last October 7, which is why there were no torn muscles or bleeding detected."

He added that there was toxicology reports also performed on the body, tests that were delivered to the Ministerio Publico (Prosecutor's office) of the PGR when they took over the investigation.
Cobos Aviles explained the confusion that has arisen from the traumatological examination, because (the body) presented only five wounds, recalling that "El Lazca's" death was due to laceration and cerebral hemorrhage(intracranial hemorrhage) and hypovolemic and traumatic shock. (loss of blood pressure from bleeding).

He underlined that the doubt was the wound from a large caliber projectile with entry orifice in the occipital region, and which exited through the left anterior part with a trajectory from behind to the front, from below (going) upwards, and from left to right." 

The bullet entered through the occipital bone, went from left to right, in an upwards trajectory, and exited on the “left anterior region ."

The bullet exited,  consistent with the way normal bullets behave. (end of first article)

Then Anonymous Expert

According to forensic experts and forensic sciences working in the legal field consider  it untrue that the body presented by the Secretary of the Navy of Mexico (Semar) and the government of Coahuila as Heriberto Lazcano Lazcano actually corresponds to the leading Los Zetas.

A petition process, specialists from various institutions who requested anonymity made criminal identification using photographs of the corpse displayed by Semar and images in which the head of Los Zetas appears in life.
This exercise is performed based on the coroner's report of the autopsy released by the press on Friday, 12.

"On October 7, 2012, in the amphitheater of the Funeral Garcia de Sabinas, Coahuila, says the document-the forensic medical expert PGJE (Attorney General of the State) the autopsy performed on the body of a person who had no name as (nn), issuing the coroner's autopsy as follows:

Consideration trauma "wound (caused) by firearm projectile caliber with inlet in occipital region, hosting the projectile at the base of the skull, in the front left, back to front path, bottom top and from left to right. "

A second wound "by firearm projectile caliber with inlet port in the back of the left parietal region and exit in right parietal region, which fractured the occipital bone," plus four others injured, also by firearm projectile, which in the opinion of the specialists are not causes of death: one in the right buttock, one on the left buttock, the fifth in the right pectoral region below the nipple-and sixth-right elbow .

- In the wound-number one found inconsistencies according to one of the experts.

-Yes. Because how can a large caliber bullet staying at the base of the skull? Normally, when this dimension projectiles go out, completely cross it because the power of destruction is very high. It is the same effect that humans have when we shot in the head, except in small sizes: the walls of the skull can withstand these impacts. However, Semar said sailors fired at a distance of 30 meters. Imagine the firepower with the gun designed to shoot that distance and hitting someone's head! It is not common. It is normal that the face of the body is completely clean.

-In the town of Progreso, where, according to authorities, Lazca was shot  , a witness told the newspaper Excelsior that one of those who executed the shot was forced to kneel and then shoot ...

-As we have no access to the rest of the information, especially the evidence that would allow us to reconstruct the event or at least look closer through the pictures and trace-says the  expert, we will not know whether or not these maneuvers were performed.

-If it was as she says, does your version fits the characteristics of some of the wounds?

-Matches the number one wound. I have him upside down and lying on the ground, it could agree. But again: we should have access to more documentation to look for other clues, such as traces of gunpowder or burns, because the body, or at least the part of it that show, no burns.




Manipulated images

Another consulted experts refers to the wound two:

"Necropsy entering said (a bullet caliber) in the back of the left parietal region and exits from the right-this is the bone region that lies above the ear, and that the outlet orifice in the right parietal region the occipital bone fracture. If one touches the back of the head, feel a lump, like a ball, that's the occipital bone, or the bullet penetrates and breaks the whole skull fracture this bone. And if you look at the pictures where the dead man appears and is seen lying right ear is not visible outlet. "

Shows images circulating on the Internet: "Look, he says, how the body is in position three quarters and shows clearly the right ear. And above it is the occipital bone where the bullet supposedly came out ... I do not see any hole. "

- What does this mean?

-That the images presented to the public are manipulated and were specially made to appear that the victim is t Lazca. However, the autopsy report and show us what the media is not what happened. Scientifically it is not possible to verify the identity of this subject so we are saying

Scientifically, the pictures we have do not match the ones we know of him. Imagine! It has spread to the Navy used weapons of 2.23 mm. With its destructive power, he would have blown his head. It's simple: do not match the weapons used by the injuries that the subject has died.

- What about the wound three?

-The rest of the injuries are not important for forensic use deadly because they kill. Significant are the head.

- These are the two wounds, comparing the photograph bodies, make us confident that this is not the same person?

-Yes. If you see the images of the subject, you will see that the regions in which they must appear injured, no injuries whatsoever.

-The Coahuila coroner stated that they were six, but five wounds, and said there were signs of plastic surgery in the ears. Is it logical for someone to operate  on the ears and not the rest of the face?

-Is illogical. Now you no longer have the body, how can you leave a doctor to say I had plastic surgery on ears, when I should have said from the beginning, and now the internet pictures removed so they do not see the comparison. The certificate must include the scars and wounds found on the subject.

-In some websites circulated a photograph of the body where it appears with the front part of the nose and dissolved, along with a wound in his lip. To which of the wounds of the corresponding autopsy?

'I should be the first, because when the projectile fired from a firearm enters the occipital region, ie in the neck, from the top down, the bullet hits the bone opposite, which is the frontal bone. But the subject that we have has no wound. Or we did a photoshop or a large theater.


Implausible scenarios


The experts consulted agreed to perform the analysis unofficially only "concern" forensics, to see if things are going well or badly.

- And how are you? -Asked a third expert.

-They were poorly made. Now, on the go, try to restore the situation.

- Lazcano Lazcano may not be dead?

-Until we have evidence of it, affirm it would fail to professional ethics.

Some experts performed a facial explanometría both the face of the corpse as a photograph taken when he lived Lazcano.

- What are the measurements? -Asked the experts.

-No match. The study is called facial explanometría perform certain measurements on the faces of people to try to identify those little features that are unique and that despite any operation is practiced, not change. They are perennial, says one of them.

Explain that these characteristics are the angle of the mouth, the size of the ears and cheekbones, and the "inputs" in the hair.

- What were the results?

-What causes us to doubt the position of the ears. They say they are operated, but still do not agree, because one thing is operated ears and another to rearrange them. The ears are in a different place. In vivo photo of ear level is above the elevation of the eye, while in the picture of the dead is still higher than the ear vivo.

On the corner of his mouth, overlays were made to suit a very obvious way, but in the photo of the subject when he was alive are smaller than the deceased.

As for the size of the cheek bones, these are more prominent in vivo than in dummy, "unless a doctor has recommended stoop bones, but is an operation that here in Mexico is not carried out, and I honestly do not think it's been practiced, "he says.

With respect to the "inputs", while similar, in the pictures of the living subject, are closer to the eyebrow, while the dead are more remote. I know it can be removed, but as it is a genetic trait, entries hair back into place.

-You were saying that these genetic traits do not change. Do not change when the person dies?

-No. Unless the body is rotten.  (or swollen)

- What is the conclusion you reached ?

That the subject that we are presenting as Heriberto Lazcano not him. Unless we have more items, more evidence and access to the file, we could change his mind. Until now, the scientific knowledge we have we can determine that they are not the same person.

- What generates this type of forensic errors?

-Most people do not believe us. There are cases where the public that have been well-publicized, such as the Paulette girl in the state of Mexico. You can not lose years of experience and study of mismanagement made of this information. Forensic experts are destroying us. Those situations discredit the forensic study and really have the interest that this is resolved fairly.

"I hope that forensic experts have an important place in these situations and that the Mexican government to turn the science view. Left to lucubrations, stories and deceive them selves. And that science permeates criminal investigations as in the whole world, except in Mexico, ".

Looks like this may have been google translated

Thank you Vato for the El Diaro article

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