El Diario November 28, 2012
Locals:'We would see lots of military and police at that place'
Translated by un vato for Borderland Beat
For the inhabitants of the Ejido Jesus Carranza, the discovery of 20 skeletal remains buried in clandestine graves on private property came as no surprise. Years back, they witnessed suspicious activities, but for them denunciation (reporting to authorities) was never an option because they feared retaliation.
"Here, we would see new cars...we also saw a lot of military and police in that place," said several neighbors when they were interviewed, asking for their identities not to be revealed and for them not to be photographed.
From the start, the ejidatarios (local communal landowners) dismiss the idea that there are any townspeople among the victims; they affirm that there are no disappeared persons. At least, not there.
"We don't have anybody missing here. We were born here and we've known each other all our lives. Up there (he points towards the ranch) is where people from the outside bought (properties)," said one of the ejidatarios.
All the structures adjacent to the clandestine cemetery are abandoned. It was quiet last week for the residents of the Ejido Jesus Carranza.
"Everything was very peaceful, nothing ever happens here, the truth is that the the village had been peaceful for several months," they assured us, although they did not dismiss the idea that the relative tranquility was due to the fact that the people who were using at least two properties for safe houses and illegal graveyards had left the town.
"The military also left. We only see them on the highway," they said.
It was only last weekend that a helicopter flying over and dozens of municipal prosecutor's vehicles arriving broke the peace and told them something bad was happening.
"Then (the investigators) told us that they were looking for bodies," they stated.
The official report from state authorities states that "investigation and intelligence (work) developed during the past year" led to the discovery of the skeletal remains, all belonging to males.
Prosecutor Jorge Gonzalez Nicolas specified in a press conference that it was thanks to support of U.S. authorities that the exact location where the cadavers were buried.
Unofficial sources say that the support came from the anti-narcotics section of the U.S. Consulate General in Mexico, the same (unit) that provided information on the exact location of Jose Antonio Acosta Hernandez, "El Diego", which allowed them to make a "clean" arrest.
The information from U.S. authorities led the investigators to Ejido Jesus Carranza. On the Juarez-Porvenir highway, at kilometer marker 35, you take a right turn on an unpaved street that goes to the ranch.
Two kilometers (1.2 miles) ahead, one can see several uninhabited structures on the desert terrain. And there, among the sand dunes and the brush, can be seen the open pits dug by personnel from the office of the medical examiner (SEMEFO; Servicio Medico Forense).
Two kilometers (1.2 miles) ahead, one can see several uninhabited structures on the desert terrain. And there, among the sand dunes and the brush, can be seen the open pits dug by personnel from the office of the medical examiner (SEMEFO; Servicio Medico Forense).
A foul odor is everywhere, and also enormous piles of trash left behind by employees from the State Attorney General's Office during their three-day stay, which is how long the search and the excavations took.
This ranch, located east of Ciudad Juarez and adjacent to the San Agustin Ejido, also part of the municipality, is less than three miles from the metal fence that divides Mexico and the United States.
The excavations were conducted in a 100 yard radius, and there were graves side by side. The closest one was less than 30 yards from the swimming pool built in front of the main house.
As of yesterday, the investigating authorities had not yet fully identified the owner of the ranch.
Arturo Sandoval, spokesman for State Prosecutor's Office (FGE; Fiscalia General del Estado) , explains that they were working on identifying the owner through the Public Property Register.
The house was still under construction. There's broken ceiling material and insulation on the floor, and also a bar that takes up a large part of the room.
Notably, the property is situated less than nine miles from the military checkpoint that the Mexican Army operated in San Agustin for several years, and it is also near the surveillance cameras installed by the Federal Police on the Juarez-Porvenir highway.
"Here, the ones who have circulated freely are the criminals, the police, the military; for us, who live here, they would ask us for identification just to go in and out of the town," say the ejidatarios.
The FGE states that are no identified bodies at this time. There is a very extensive data bank developed by the office of medical examiner. The last time a similar project was undertaken was in 2010, when 20 skeletal remains were locates in the town of Palomas de Villa, also very close to a military base.
Looking for their loved ones.
"Fabiola's" eyes look lost. She walks with her head down, reluctant to answer questions.
"I'm looking for my brother," says the woman, who states her brother disappeared in 2010. He left work and we heard nothing more from him. There was a report filed on his disappearance but they told her that her loved one had been "levantado" (picked up) , and that is why (she says) the investigating authorities were not motivated to look for him, because of suspected links with drug trafficking.
The woman went to the offices of the Investigative Services Directorate (Direccion de Servicios Periciales) located on Valle de Cedro Street, where they waited on her , but she got no answers about locating her loved one.
Arturo Sandoval, spokesman for the FGE, said yesterday that they were working on the information gathered at the site. The bodies were in an advanced state of decomposition and most of them were wearing clothing. That, he says, will facilitate the identification, in addition to DNA evidence, because the SEMEFO has a database. Currently, the exact number of men who have disappeared during the last five years in Ciudad Juarez, Praxedis and Guadalupe, Distrito Bravos, is unknown.
Yesterday, the number of reports filed during the past five years was requested from the FGE, but its office of social communication (public information office) did not have the data.
The official FGE webpage contains a special section on persons reported as "disappeared", but the page contains only two investigations. In the link: http://fiscalia.chihuahua.gob.mx/intro/?page_id=507#.ULV5T2f4Isc, one can find a report on Olegario Guzman Ortiz, a businessman kidnapped in 2011, and very close to Governor Cesar Duarte, and also the investigation on Raul Arturo Gonzalez, with an address in Bocoyna municipality.
El Diario. November 29, 2012.
'The whole Valley smells of death
"The whole Valle de Juarez smells of blood... of death. How many (cadavers) could be buried there?" asked yesterday Gustavo de la Rosa Hickerson, human rights lawyer/activist who maintains accusations that revolve around the complicity of the Mexican Army and police agencies in the violent events that shook these farming communities.
Last Tuesday, the residents of Ejido Jesus Carranza, where they found 20 bodies in 15 separate illegal graves, revealed that the discovery was no surprise for them.
"I got out of the Valle de Juarez because I specifically went to Victor Valencia de los Santos (then head of the now-extinct CIPOL, municipal police intelligence unit) to report that exactly this was happening, that the military was running up there, that the police would go in through that road, that they were murdering people in the town," he asserts.
He explains that the soldiers were three miles from the turn-off that went to the recently discovered clandestine cemetery.
"We knew that, and that's what I told Valencia de los Santos and, the very next day, the criminal persecution against me began," he claims.
The lawyer had to leave the country after being subjected to persecution from military personnel. "Swear on it; there must be an infinite number of clandestine graves in all the Valle (de Juarez), the town smells of blood," he points out.
With the possibility that there may be more bodies buried on private properties, the FGE will undertake more searches beginning next week.
Once the remains of the 20 persons that were found have been fully identified, the investigation will be turned over to the federal Office of Attorney General. (Luz del Carmen Sosa)
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Ahy mi juaritos, lo bueno que la linea anda chingando a los chapos por todo chihuhua poko a poco estan sacando a esos mierdas de sinaloa que nomaa vinieron a desmadrar al pais con sus ambiciones de poder y basura
ReplyDeletek no t akuerdas k los aztecas y linia y rikines kobraban kotas asta a los puestesitos de hot dogs avia picaderos en caseta matava gente inocente el casitas amenasando a toda la gente haora caseta y el valle esta controlado y la gente anda agusto k kieres k gane la linia para k aga mas fosas komo las k ayaron el diego o bablaso jalava kon la linea j.l pendejo el valle es del inge y en caseta tododa la gente esta con el pero chinga y t chingaran tornillo y kz gente de huevos los aztecas puro tekato bien fokos komo para el valle no entran no es k sea del carte de sinaloa pero eyos estan akavando kon todo el cancer de mexico pendejo
DeleteCalmese joto vallase a guadalule a dar vueltas como pendejo que se nota que eres de alla.. pero mira como quedo tu caseta todo solo parece pueblo fasma todos esos rumbos por los culeros de sinaloa, mejor callese mugre funda del chapo que el valle y todo juarez estaba bn antes de que llegaran, aora la cuidad es un asco
DeleteI cant hardly understand,are they saying the military and police were doin the killings and dumpin the body's on this private land?
ReplyDeleteThe whole juarez/ sinaloa war was more of military and federales vs la linea with help from la dea to subdue the juarez cartel just like it happened in tijuana and with the beltrans and is now happening with the zetas, calderons only mission as the first narco president was to give the.country to chapo, that was his sole purpose
DeleteLa linea is coming back stonger.. Chapo you're days are counted buddy... No more Caldero, No more Chapo sitter...
ReplyDeleteIt never ends,all this shit is not about the race of people,its about the money of people!White,black,brown,yellow,money can buy anything in this present day world.There is the"real"problem,the people who have money,and the people who do not.These same kind of people are the ones with no morality,working people are the decent honest ones.Strangers come in buy land(sanctioned by local councils by the way)privately fence it off and then do whatever they want with it?Local people never get to see what is going on in these places.Yes,they may see activity but what are they supposed to do?They now,have no right to walk that land.And for authorities to say they don't know exactly who owns it?Who bought the parcel of land back then?A ghost didn't walk in and buy it?It can always be traced back?Huge parcels of land bought privately,and turned into private fiefdoms?
ReplyDeleteThe people without the voice should band together,not fight with each other as on here over colors?
@4:55 The military and police murder many people and dump them all over the place. They also steal private land. They work with cartels, large corporations, prostitute politicians, and just for themselves. Also, notice how the author starts to say something and backs away and repeats the process. It can be difficult to stay out of the holes around Sodom.
ReplyDeleteThe bones looked pretty dry. Perhaps the smell of death comes from the other two mentioned body dumping plots or fresh spots among the thousands and thousands of cadavers dumped in that area.
4:55 pm ... of course. They were the enforcement for La Linea in that area.
ReplyDeleteI was reading somewhere else that the purpose of the drug war in Mexico was to ensure that Mexico would be declared a failed state, paving the way for US invasion.
ReplyDeleteZ are the last to battle with the Zionist.
DeleteZ = Omega
Where did you read this? And yea ive been seen and reading people talk about how this is all a big conspircy by the us
DeleteMilitary and police are always involved. I'm not surprised cause that's how Mexico has always been no justice for no one!!! Mexico is crap!!
ReplyDeleteLOL, MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THEM DO IT ON PUBLIC LAND, THIS JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW IMMUNE THESE GUYS ARE TO JUSTICE, THEY USED THEIR GOVT VEHICLES, YOUD THINK THATS A KNOCK, MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE USED A CIVILLIAN RIDE OR, ONE OF THE CARS THEY RIP OFF FROM THE STATES. ANYWAY, YUP I WAS RIGHT, IT WAS A LONG DEAD, UNFINISHED NARCO HOUSE, LOL A POOL IN THE DESERT, IN THE FRONT YARD, HAA HAA. MAYBE HE SHOULD HAVE HAD ONE BUILT IN THE LIVING ROOM OR BETTER YET, IN HIS CLOSET..
ReplyDeleteThe first comment, I thought the linea went down when they captured "El Diego." Yes, it says the police and military prom did that.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, the whole of Mexico smelt of death!
ReplyDeleteIt is a vast and very beautiful country!!!
It's well past time that the Mexican government takes very drastic and positive steps to wrest control of the whole country from the drug cartels and revert it to its original pristine state!!!!!
Yes. Everybody was dumping bodies there.
ReplyDeleteThey should just erase all of Mex from the planet..tell me one good thing going on there?
ReplyDeleteNot all Mexico is to blame for the shit these people do...Mexico is a beautiful place but all the bad has taken over cause everyone wants a piece of the cake..I miss going to Mexico ..someday it will return to how it was ..may god bless the good people in Mexico :'(
Delete10:25 your comment is ignorant as they come.. maybe they should erase you from the planet? Not all Mexico is that way.. is everyone in the US a drug addict?
DeleteYes,practically everyone does weed!!..fuckin loosers!!!
DeleteHey people, im sorry about writing in all-caps, i must have not been paying too much attention.
ReplyDeleteim sorry, spencas nuh~~
@6:49.Estas bien pendejo el valle estava tranquilo hasta que llego el monta perros del chapo.Somos de porvenir y se de lo que estoy hablando.Mejor vete al ver........
ReplyDeletei'm loving the way these stories are written, especially since i have been following the articles for some time now,( props to all you people who put the time in so assholes like us can comment.) i like how it says that the records for owner of the property cannot be found, well no especially since these guys can go and just take the files they need to erase any type of evidence, and especially how no investigation will be started until they get the identifacation of the remains figured out, especially since dna testing costs a lot, no govt agency seems to want to pay out for this stuff, and there would most likely need to be a national dna database to cross reference the isolated chromosomes against. so if they cannot find the identifacation of a few of the cadavers, they wont begin any work.. clasic.. there are so many things being said here that arent being said
ReplyDeleteNow does everyone know why I hate chapo and Calderon,because there fucking pieces of filth,they are worse then any of the other cartels yes including the ZETAS!!!! still dont wanna believe?? just wait and see.
ReplyDeleteWhy cant we deploy our troops to go help our neighboring country instead of the fucktards in the mid east???
ReplyDeleteAztecs and Mayans were all demon worshippers. God knows; maybe he put a curse upon the land . It doesnt look too good in the upcoming years. Why do you think Obama lets people migrate in? So he can get voted by the majority. People that think he is the savior. Many will be decieve. The dollar will be equal of a penny if the economy collapses. He will urge you to take the mark(rfid chip). Many of you are going to take it.
ReplyDeleteDidn't know God put curses on ppl!!!....what a jerkoff!!
DeletePut the crack pipe down guey. its really sad people can be this fucking dumb. one of those who still can accept the fact ths he has a negro President.
DeletePeople say that el inge or m 10. is now allied with the carrillo fuentes, zetaz, beltran leyva and tijuanes, and that the chaps are going down fast and hard. someone know anything aboout this. Or does the sinaloans control all of chiwas tell me tell meeeeeee.
ReplyDeletePinche chismoso!!...vayase ha dormir pendejo!!!!
DeleteLook el ingeniero will never be allied with carillo since they were the ones that back stabbed him when he was locked up. They murdered his @ brothers because they were climbing the ladder quicker than some of the other lames in the linea. That's is why he is with chapo and mayo. Attn. P@RR@ND3RO
DeleteChapito isidro controls northern sinaloa cds controls the center and Z the southern part of the state
DeleteThe southern american states are getting more and more like mexico every day. Something is very wrong with that kind. Sad but true.
ReplyDeleteThe Mexican government did not “clean up” the state of Chihuahua and Juarez like they would have everyone believe. There is no treaty between the Sinaloa Cartel and the Juarez/Zeta alliance. The constant fighting with no real definitive winner led to a kind of stalemate. The result is a divided Juarez, and Chihuahua, parts belonging to one or the other cartel, and occasionally someone crosses the line. The police force is also sharply divided, the Juarez Cartel still largely in control of the traffic police and part of the municipal force, the Sinaloa Cartel owning the Federales and part of the state police. Within Chihuahua there are several smaller municipalities where the territories are still unclear and they continue to have skirmishes between the two cartels. We have yet to see the end to the violence.
ReplyDelete10:25 pm stop smoking drugs lol erase Mexico from the planet!!! Mexico is not a pize of shit, you are for making those type of comments.
ReplyDelete10:25 hell yeh they should erase Mexico!! the place is so corrupt and full of scum its long past being fixed.
ReplyDeleteJust nuke it.
pretty obvious..in Mexico the gob and the cartels are one and the same...barbie tells all
ReplyDelete"enormous piles of trash left behind by employees from the State Attorney General's Office"
ReplyDeleteIf it happened i Germany, or any other european country, there will be a problem for the officials. But we are talking about Mexico and semi-desert. So I guess everything is allright.
November 29, 2012 10:31 PM
ReplyDelete"Hey people, im sorry about writing in all-caps, i must have not been paying too much attention"
No shit Einstein,no surprise there then !
"LOL""MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THEM DO IT ON PUBLIC LAND"
ReplyDeleteNever thought of that"lol"
i have a cousin who is in la linea. he is actually one of the guys that came out in the juarez diario acused of ordering the killings of the municipales, but the diario said he was an azteca, but hes not. i have seen municipales go to his car lot and recieve money from people who work at his car lot, even though there is a reward for his capture.he doesnt talk about what he does and that is the difference between la linea and GN. GN are a bunch of clowns trying to attract attention.
ReplyDeleteeverybody that says Mexico is a dump is all retarded. Not saying that the US government allows this bad situation, but they know all too well who's who and where to locate that who. The US chooses not to. And why should they. They DO NOT want people talikng or opening there mouths and spilling secrets. Ths is all a joke. The real osers are the families of those that have died in this so called "war agianst drugs", whether of overdose victoms, extorsioned victoms missing victoms,on both sides of the border.
ReplyDeleteOne would wonder how Bob Dylan used to include Juarez in his songs, the romantic Juarez of days past. now look what it has come to be.....literally the world's shithole,known worldwide not for it's culture but for it's feminicidios and cartel scum. sad....truly sad.
ReplyDeletePara todos los gueyes que andavan diciendo que los ncj andavan asiendo desmadre y cochinero agarraron a UN vato del cartel DE sinaloa que ellos se ajudicaron las ejecuciones en delicias y jimenez esta la nota en el blog del narco y en la policiaca al paracer el m10 sigue en con los chapos y mayos???el vato declaro Que son ajustes de cuentas contra la linea y y el mensaje es de parte del m10 asi que esta la cosa cabron...asi que mejor aclaren las cosas antes de desir fueron estos ya valieron estos sin saver...
ReplyDeleteOtra funda del chapo
DeleteYO! you got me there mr.no shit Epstien, thanks for acknowledging that i acknowledged my mistake. and one more thing, how was I not being rhetorical, mr. rosen?
ReplyDeleteMexico is a dump there own federal police and military throw there shit on graves
ReplyDeleteNovember 30, 2012 8:30 AM
ReplyDelete"Where did you read this? And yea ive been seen and reading people talk about how this is all a big conspircy by the us"
Its all true,its a big conspiracy by the US.They want to take all the oil all the drugs all the trucks all the pirate dvd copies and keep it all for the US.I have to tell someone.The US is to blame for everything going wrong on our little planet earth.They even have plans for Mars and they have especially big plans for Youranus.
FUCK LA LINEA THEY TRYED KILLING MY DAD CUZ HE DIDN'T WANNA WORK FOR THEM . SO HE HAD TO LEAVE FROM HIS HOME BUT THEN HE CAME BACK AND NOW THE GN IS THERE ND VERY THING IS CALM . GOOD THING GN CLEANED UP THE TOWN!!!
ReplyDeleteDon't worry gn won't be there for ever.or better yet worry. He will get his. If he was involved .
DeleteGn is always going to be there cuz they don't Fuck with innocent ppl or tax on ppl shops . la linea is over chapo runs Juarez just a few of them dumb asses are left and each day goes by there dying slowly .bunch of crack heads anyways
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