Autodefensa members wait while their arms are registered in Múgica,
Michoacan on April 29.
Foto by Hans-Maximo Musielik for Vice
Autodefensas No More:
New Name Same Struggle
As the much touted May 10th deadline looms near,
a flurry of meetings have transpired between Autodefensas General Council Leaders, led
by Dr. Manuel Mireles, federal and state representatives.
Leading up to the past week, Autodefensas position was
unchanged, in demanding the agreements of January and April be adhered to. For their part, the federal government insisted
they would make good on the agreements, and the state simply published a
schedule for weapon registration, dates approaching the May 10th deadline.
In lieu of official shirts I created these to depict each group
But that was then;
this is what is happening now:
There will not be a May 10th deadline,
registration will continue and is expected to draw 2000 or more.
From the 11th of May (supposedly the transition will be
ready) there will be no “AUTODEFENSAS” vehicle decals or "AUTODEFENSA" T-shirts.
In its place inscriptions will be “GUARDIAS RURALES" or
"DEFENZAS RURALES” which will effectively represent government
institutions.
The Government will provide uniforms, vehicles weapons,
training and salaries. [Unknown it the logos to be used or the look]
Under the charge of SEDENA [The Mexican Secretariat of
National Defense] They will be the "RURAL DEFENZAS"
Under the charge of one of the state agencies they will become
“GUARDIAS RURALES"
Answer: All
movement will be agreed with notification to the federal Government.
BB asked; and the
imprisoned autodefensas? Will they be released?
Answer: They must
be set free
BB: WHat role will you play in this change?
Answer: I will remain as leader
BB: How many will join?
Answer: Rural Defenzas (federal) will comprise of 6 groups of 200, in total. Currently apx 200 have registered.
As for the state guards, apx 1700 have registered. [I was not told the max number of guards allowed.
I know what BB readers are thinking "Is this a good thing?", my answer is; it is necessary. What will happen? I am hoping against hope that the brave autodefensas, federal government, and state government will continue their excellent work against Caballeros Templarios, moving on to cartels in general they may attempt to control Michoacán , secure law and order, and fair practices of justice. I must add a disclaimer; I am waiting to exhale. I feel both relieved and leery.
BB: WHat role will you play in this change?
Answer: I will remain as leader
BB: How many will join?
Answer: Rural Defenzas (federal) will comprise of 6 groups of 200, in total. Currently apx 200 have registered.
As for the state guards, apx 1700 have registered. [I was not told the max number of guards allowed.
I know what BB readers are thinking "Is this a good thing?", my answer is; it is necessary. What will happen? I am hoping against hope that the brave autodefensas, federal government, and state government will continue their excellent work against Caballeros Templarios, moving on to cartels in general they may attempt to control Michoacán , secure law and order, and fair practices of justice. I must add a disclaimer; I am waiting to exhale. I feel both relieved and leery.
Some media outlets are mistakenly referring to this as a
“disarmament”, it is an "armament" now free of questions regarding legality.
The advance and search continues, with better defined and
cooperation of state and federal agencies.
Bottom line Dr. Mireles says there is a new look, “PERO LA
LUCHA CONTINUARA”
[“But the fight continues”]
Defensas; i'm not for nazi grammar police, but i think on the professional printed clothes of official government "elementz", they should, MUST have correct spanish spelling, unless it is all a joke played on the AD and michoacan people, like it most surely is anyway...
ReplyDeleteWell, if you know spanish then you should know that 'defenzas' is spelled correctly.
DeleteThen maybe you should go down there and tell them.
DeleteZ was used with the original groups and still used by some, including Dr M. Of course they know how to spell, it was a logo. The shirts are not official there is no photos of the new shirts I thought an image depicting the two groups would be a good addition to this post.
ReplyDelete@Chivis ...I'm wondering if you can give me some information on how and where they are recruiting to join The Auto-Defensas (Guardias Rurales)? And their requirements (if any)?I'm a U.S born Mexican and am going back to the "Mother-Land" (Michoacan) to help my people out...any information would be appreciated .
DeleteThank you:)
Heyy chivis what do you think is this the best way to get rid of the cartels and the fastest in mexico? i think it is
ReplyDeleteForce americans to stop doing drugs.
DeleteOh ok. So it's America's fault Mexico is a piece of shit corrupt country.
DeleteI think the comment was directed towards chivis but apparently you have the divine answer. You cant force americans, or mexicans, or europeans, or anyone else to stop doing drugs. Oh...right...you think the americans are the only ones getting high ;-P
DeleteThats one excellent way.
Delete@ 12:16 The whole world is supplied by cartel drugs idiot ,not just Americans.
DeleteRight, you should lead te pack you out to your hood and tell those cholos to stop using drugs and stop listening to that music rap or hip hop wich promotes drugs,guns and prostitution.
DeleteAmerica! The biggest consumer of drugs! The greed of the cartels to bring drugs to America, has now hooked many Mexicans on drugs like crystal meth.
DeleteThats fucking dumb if the mexican cartels cld not cross their drugs into the usa they wld still sell that shit in mexico and if the usa stopped making guns the mexicans wld still buy Russian or chinese aks.lets b realistic people.about the article it doesnt matter how they spell shit on their t shirts or what name they use as long as they are still around to protect the people cus the mexican goverment is either to crooked or just dont have the balls to protect the innocent and decent citizens.
DeleteN to the guy that dissed rap or hip hop.rock and roll dont promote drugs or violence u dumb ass?
DeleteI'm the one that said that about rap and hiphop, and you are right rock n roll, also promotes drugs, sex drugs n rock an roll, but many people make AMERICANS as the only ones that use drugs when in reality latinos, blacks, asian all use drugs, and in mexico too.
DeleteHere's a link from Milenio thursday that contains all of this and a little more, along with a little different terms used for the two police corps created.
ReplyDeleteThey had over 1,700 signed up for the state "Patrulla (sic?) Rural Estatal" by thursday, so I'd say 4-5,000, by the end of next week, is not out of the question. (I'm shocked, I must admit)
The "Defensas Rurales," under the Army will be trained in bunches of 200 at a time, since they have limited space at the Army barracks in Apatzingán.
http://www.milenio.com/policia/Michoacan-Jose-Manuel-Mireles-autodefensas-templarios-desarme-Castillo-seguridad-policia_rural-defensa_rural_0_290971314.html
you're an idiot, the articles do not have the same information. "all of this and a little more" the most important information is the freedom to advance, and who they are working under which agencies. I heard on the radio Mireles say on Thursday 700 had signed up. don't reply on Milenio, often they embellish, I bet BB got their information from the top.
ReplyDelete1:56 best way to get rid of the cartels would be to have everybody with an ID and have the federales, army and police return to pickpocketing paradise, el DF, just have some inspectors to collect taxes and leave the communities to govern themselves, they don't need permanent satraps from the capital, and they do need the death penalty for corrupt politicians.
ReplyDeleteAt least, if everything goes as promised and runs smoothly, all those poor people will have a steady income, and anyone that has those auto defensa t shirts, that is an official article of historic relevance and you can probably fetch some pretty good bids on ebay, lol. Anyway lets hope the other promise gets burried. The assassination of mirelles, lets hope that never materializes and nothing bad comes to fruition
ReplyDeleteI ask people at the "protest" in LA in front of the Mexican Embassy(?) a month or so ago if the AD had T-shirts for sale so they could get some financial support and even better some "mobile media*" support..(*so to speak). The 2 girls, and one guy(who I thought was one of the people in charge) just kinda of looked at each other, shrugged and said they didn't know anything about it. Glad someone finally got it togther..So how do I donate for a few(Large), and how do I know its not going to the pseudo AD? or God forbid we don't end up supporting the Nut sucknards Cartel..
ReplyDeleteI don't want any personal attacks please.
ReplyDeleteas for milenio, I am not sure the numbers are correct, but I did not concentrate on that, I wanted to know important things like:
what occurs in advancements and searches
what happens about the AD imprisoned
what agencies will the AD groups work with
But I can ask Dr M about the numbers, I think a good question is how many does he think will sign up and if they have a choice etc.
@5:51 I am sure I can get a few shirts and perhaps caps
@3:24
ReplyDeleteok...what you said is nice, and i appreciate that you appreciate :)
but the person you called idiot is not happy about the reference and I wouldn't be either.
I don't want an answer to this or to instigate a fight, it is not fair to my post to go off topic. thank you
@ 2:04
ReplyDeleteDr M sent me the info and Milenio sort of had it correctly.
Rural Defensas will be 1200 in total six squads of 200.
200 have signed up
he doesn't say there is a limit on the State registration but those are at almost 1700
and he is sending me a couple of shirts :)
I think you are wrong chivis because castillo said on radio program that most likely most of the municipal police will be replace by autodefensas members and the state police . And thats according to him at least 6000
DeleteSend some to El Centro, Ca.
ReplyDeleteFinally , Aljezeera (U.S.) covered an embedded story about the AD's .Hopefully other mainstream news outlets will cover the chaos.
ReplyDeleteok, the process is, just produce your statement, say what, you agree or disagree with something or why, and don't mess with the other posters, Al Sharpton will not be happy that the Grievance Industry has been stolen from him, it will be easy, smarter is easy for the smart, lets carry on, this is not against the truth yet; even if others resort to offense, and to complaining about the payback, we don't need to sink to their level...
ReplyDelete"the truth shall set you free"
In a land where being a journalist is as dangerous as being a soldier, the news is never going to be as precise as we would like it to be. Thanks bb. Chivas, please quit your DAY job! Lol
ReplyDeleteI don't know why but I have a feeling that the federal government wants to spare La Tuta.
ReplyDeleteI know why is $$$$ how much money u think made it from the c.t. coffets to mexican government officials pockets
DeleteThe Rurales of the previous century were a corrupt group of thieves, rapists and killers masquerading as law enforcement.
ReplyDeleteI gave the numbers that Dr Mireles sent me, all the information is from him. Take it or leave it, if you prefer to go with Castillo's words that is ok...as I said the numbers had no interest to me.
ReplyDeleteI wanted to know where the change leaves him (he will be leader) latitude in search and advance, autodefensas imprisoned etc...those are what interested me and where my concerns lie, not numbers.
6:05 well, slang has a way to constantly change the academics' idea of language and legitimizing any and all new forms and uses of any word, in any languge, i'm for it, except for officially yielding to the most elementary shortcomings of the people, just to appear to kowtow, the ROYAL ACADEMY of ESPANOL has never been a favorite of mine, and by the way i wish i could start a campaign to eliminate the letter Z from the spanish languaje, i wish we could eliminate anything zeta named and related, all over the world...
ReplyDeletel don't know why...
another letter that has gone bad is the letter B, from buey, a beast of burden, it progressed to güey, and is used to demean other persons, slang use has moved it to wey in the modern español that great mexican writer what's his name calls "cabroñol", making great mexican writers guilty of contributing to the further destruction of the spanish languaje, with nacoization and mexicanization of CASTELLANO.
see SEDENA= Secretaria de la Defensa Nacional.
i have in the past criticized grammar police ginirals, and i don't want to become one, i'm all for progress and evolution, but the Autodefensas can not afford to be any less official than the mexican federal government...
I think we americans need to learn from the people of michoacan.decent normal folks shld make an stand agains this fucking gangbangers and prison gangbangers in places like cali were a few prison gangs control the dumbass and weak ass streetgangs or in Chicago or in New York city or in miami houston dallas were whole neighborhoods are controled by criminals.we shld have our feet in their throats like the michoacanos did to the c.t.s.
ReplyDeleteJohn Browning and Mikhail Kalashnikov should be proud.
ReplyDeleteIt's nice to see $1500 Colts actually being used for noble purposes.
chivis,
ReplyDeleteIn the story about the 7 dismembered corpses in Gro., You post the story and then a link to read more. when i clicked the link to read more, there wasn't more to read, just a graphic and disturbing photo. the warning about the photo wasn't even visible. That wasn't cool and i don't want to see that. just knowing it happens is good enough for me. I'm sure others feel the same way.
@5:51 ask the SEDENA if they would tolerate miss spelling on the official uses of their name, corruption of the language goes well with the graffitti, even the US would not accept any of that, i don't see why the autodefensas have to accept any less even the CETAZ would not go for it, try that on your capris and see how it feels...
ReplyDeleteI'd like to ask our military experts, with all due respect what music is used on the military ceremonies of dressing down of military elements, and subsequent marching out of the ceremonial field, during and after.
while checking on this i found one ceremony, where the banda de guerra of the police department turn their backs on the officer being expelled, while some real ugly music is being played by the banda de guerra.
--it would be nice to play when the military bosses that sold out their bases to the templarios leave the Michoacan plaza.
--youtube: policia es destituido por tener relaciones ...en horas de trabajo/red noticiero.
--also augusto pinochet's favorite, EL NOVIO DE LA MUERTE, the most favorite song of the ss totenkopf, the chilean and argentinian military junta narcofascistas, la santa muerte of some mexican narcs and la Brigada de la Legion del Rey Alfonso XIII, and Klaus Barbie, the butcher of lyons...
--youtube/ La Legion desfilando y cantando EL NOVIO DE LA MUERTE, francisco escarmentado,malaga 2012
--CC y TT,Cristo Resucitado
--the best austro-german military marches
--american military marches...
-the best would be if an all new to the area military could be deployed and they turned their backs on their leaving comrades for incompetence, at least, and for cowardice and outright betrayal of the service.
-if that would be too much to ask, next best is to do the dress down ceremony and show the contempt to the leaving officers that could not fight the caballeras kagadas during their reign of terror, the people and military that would take over turn their backs on those being drummed out.
--A tall order, easily applied to a lowly police officer during the reign of genaro garcia luna at the helm of the SSP, a beautiful ceremony that would make the mexican military watch their step, i wonder how many ginirals would cry over it, any other info would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
May 5, 2014 at 9:17 AM
ReplyDelete"chivis,You post the story and then a link to read more. when i clicked the link to read more, there wasn't more to read, just a graphic.That wasn't cool and i don't want to see that "
NO WONDER MANY CONTRIBUTORS ON BB GIVE UP ?????
Look at the kind of idiocy,Chivis has to put up with on here?I wonder Chivis girl i really do,,how you put up with namby pamby(i am trying to hold my language)people like this.It must take a will to keep going and not become cynical in the face of so very many absolute fuckin pricks....
"NO WONDER MANY CONTRIBUTORS ON BB GIVE UP ?????
ReplyDeleteLook at the kind of idiocy,Chivis has to put up with on here?I wonder Chivis girl i really do,,how you put up with namby pamby(i am trying to hold my language)people like this.It must take a will to keep going and not become cynical in the face of so very many absolute fuckin pricks...."
you come off like those dumb asses who think chopping up innocents makes them tough! just because you can stomach pictures of dismembered bodies don't make you tough...i've seen people in real life opened up in surgery, guts hanging out without blinking, came up through hard times to make something of myself and probably make twice what you do, have a higher IQ, and give back more to my community....don't get it twisted puto, just because i don't want to see that shit, doesn't mean i can't stomach it, and chivis busting eyes with it, demonstrates a lack of respect for the BB viewer/reader....que culero , te crees chingon because you can watch a snuff film or graphic pictures...it don't mean a thing...you aint bad for looking at them...plenty of chicken shit mofos chop people up
Violence Returns In Reynosa Tamaulipas......
ReplyDeleteGood for them that they are getting supported by the government. I hope the crop owners, cattle ranchers and other legitimate businessmen keep supporting them. As well as the community, communication and transparency must remain intact with the public. And the hiring process must be checked by good moral integrity, rather the need for boots on the ground. I hope the Guardianes Rurales start publishing their victories or results of operations to the citizens via the local press and once in a while national press. But keep up the good work. Dr. Mireles and I will pray for the safety of you and all the people of Michoacan.
ReplyDelete@ at 1:59 pm. I don't think this is the fastest way to completely eliminate drug mafacturing, producing and transportation of drugd into the United States of America. As long as there is demand for such drugs, there will be demanf and profit from both sides of the border. I hear Canadian weed will represent a major threat to Mexican cartels as welll as the legalization of pot currently happening in the USA. There will alemways be cartels in Mexico but the days of major/large transcontinental cartel days are beginnig to come to an end. I don't know how long will it take but it's beginning to show signs of it. examples are the infighting between Gulf Cartel factions and rapid dismantlement of the prganizational structure of the Knights Templar.
ReplyDeleteBla bla bla bitch bitch bitch. Good work BB, I for one salute you. To the dumbass non Spanish speaking element questioning the spelling of the word defenzas; go fucking learn a new goddamn language before you show everyone how motherfucking stupid you are.
ReplyDeletei don't think chivis needs to be defended from lame requests and lamer comments; especially by crazy bugeyed vitriolic defensive wide ends without any intelectual qualities to redeem their own yakety-yakety yack...
ReplyDelete12:40 i ain't givin' up ,, .. dd dadada!! ,, .."",,,,
ReplyDeletethey say it takes one to know another, no wonder so many contributors have given up, don't worry about this one. d-:{
saludos hasta Reynosa!!!
Chivis,
ReplyDeletesome of the other news media have articles on Mireles that are disheartening...They quote him as saying that some of the ADs are becoming paramilitaries, that some are lead by corrupt individuals who started as lemon pickers but now own lots of land, and that they are starting to disagree to the point of going separate ways. I used to get on you for never posting my doubts about Mireles or his past, but over the course of time, I've changed my opinion of him and he does seem sincere in his desire to make Michoacan a better place. His comments make me think that if he was assassinated, it wouldn't be the CT, but a former lemon picker, now AD, who'd hate to give up his new found wealth.
3:56 i am amazed that my english is that good, mexican born and raised, spanish speaking, esl, broken inglish and spanglish here! wahh haaa haaa!!!
ReplyDeleteatentamente SECRETARIA DE LA DEFENSA NACIONAL
if the crooks governing mexico must have correct spelling in their official communications, i think the Autodefensas deserve no less; graffitti and slang is for the maras, the gangs and the drama mamas, chicken ass...
May 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM
ReplyDelete"you come off like those dumb asses who think chopping up innocents makes them tough! just because you can stomach pictures of dismembered bodies don't make you tough"
Dude fuck off,no-one mentioned anything about being"tough"the reply was about blaming a moderator for things YOU see on the internet?As a grown ass man,shouldn't you take responsibly for what you allow yourself to see in life instead of blaming someone else?I mean,its a blog about the Mexican drug cartels,,,take a wild guess on what you may see while on this subject matter?Take responsibly,,no-one forced you come here or follow a link...
May 6, 2014 at 5:16 AM
ReplyDelete"i don't think chivis needs to be defended from lame requests and lamer comments; especially by crazy "bugeyed"(sic) vitriolic defensive wide ends without any "intelectual"(sic) qualities"
Ahh no,its indelectudual and boogeyyed ,,cauliflower lip.
May 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM
ReplyDelete"and chivis busting eyes with it, demonstrates a lack of respect for the BB viewer/reader....que culero"
Yeahhh whatever blow it out your ass,im cryin a river here for your poor eyes
ay 6, 2014 at 3:24 PM
ReplyDelete"I'm the one that said that about rap and hiphop, and you are right rock n roll, also promotes drugs, sex drugs n rock an roll"
Dude,why don't you become a priest?What about Stallone,Schwarzenegger,Willis,just them 3 have killed more people than fuckin malaria,do they have culpability in making people kill?See where i,m going with this?Why don't people whine about them instead of blaming RAP?
Hahaha... This is what blog del narco comments look like, but in Spanish. Fucking dorks, the lot of you. Childish sons of bitches.
ReplyDeleteel "gerenal"no tiene quien le escriba, now as a perfessor chapatin of grametrica, and phys. ed. the retired wide ass defender of MY chivis and BB expectz to have many young boys visiting his wholly wooly wide ass and cauliflowered perforations. for candy and quarters...
ReplyDelete--hey,, Reynosa,, .. don't parrot my words,, just because you can't think,, of anyting smart,, ..to write,, all by yourself,,,, ,,u mockin',, parrot,, copycat...you
atentamente }:-b d-:{
BB is addictive, raping the minds of wide eyed/assed defender combos, is an acquired taste, i don't want to visit BDN , not just yet, regardless of whatever, even if they paid me, chivis is not there, and BB is not there, if my fans go there, i may get there to continue the persecution, like General Don Porfirio Diaz did on the 5 de mayo against the world wide famous asses of the frenchfried froglegs.
ReplyDeleteNO MERCY, NO PITY, NO PEACE, NO QUARTER, AND NO PRISONERS is the most glorious creed, by the way, comments and the commenters here are one of the best features of BB, so is the easy access...thanks BB!
it's a pity some comments do not make it here, BB would double the visitors quicker, it's time to triplicate chivis pay, and the benefits! chivis !!!
@1030 Who gives a fuck... That wasn't the point; the point is, whether or not you visit el blog or whether or not you suck the proverbial BB dick, the point is all the ranting raving and idiocy resembles that blog del narco which all you fucks love to hate... It's like this is Univision and el blog is telemundo. Not that I'm knocking BB's actual means of existence, the articles are factual well put together and spaced as far as subject. Good work BB, shitty work dumbass commentators who argue about stupid shit and take away from the article. Shame on you; hard work is reduced to idiotic rambling and arguing, resembling BDN.
Delete"Dude fuck off,no-one mentioned anything about being"tough"the reply was about blaming a moderator for things YOU see on the internet?As a grown ass man,shouldn't you take responsibly for what you allow yourself to see in life instead of blaming someone else?I mean,its a blog about the Mexican drug cartels,,,take a wild guess on what you may see while on this subject matter?Take responsibly,,no-one forced you come here or follow a link..."
ReplyDeleteChivis in the past stated that she would no longer post the same type of gruesome shit BDN posts so i didn't expect to get my eye busted. i don't go to blog del narco because i don't want to see that shit. now if you think being able to watch it makes you manly, you have a warped value system...what makes you a man is providing for you and yours and trying to make the world a better place. You'd do better at accomplishing that by working on your anger and not on me. it sounds like you just accept whatever is given to you, probably from always getting your ass whipped by pops. I'm done, there's nothing left to discuss.
"BB is addictive, raping the minds of wide eyed/assed defender combos, is an acquired taste, i don't want to visit BDN , not just yet, regardless of whatever, even if they paid me, chivis is not there, and BB is not there, if my fans go there, i may get there to continue the persecution, like General Don Porfirio Diaz did on the 5 de mayo against the world wide famous asses of the frenchfried froglegs."
ReplyDeleteI'm with you on not visiting BDN, but you should know it was Ignacio Zaragoza Seguín that beat the french on Cinco de Mayo, and that the French went on to beat the Mexicans after that loss
"Yeahhh whatever blow it out your ass,im cryin a river here for your poor eyes"
ReplyDeleteyour anger problems, probably stemming from an inferiority complex due to low wages/earnings, inability to talk to pretty women, or an out of shape body (lil pee pee inlcuded) is what you should be crying about.
chivaaa! just between you and me, do you suspect that my favorite fan, after you of course, wide assed defender, dd, GDL, EAGGER #$%&*, BORED AND REAMMED, goodwin's law, austrian school, von misa's etc etc etc, Dr Mireles detractor, and yours, posts hateful rants and answers them himself inna good-guy bad-guy fashion and he is an american yapping from Reynosa? i've been following his e-footprint and it's all there. just say YES somewhere among the new comments. i promise i'll cut it out with the guy...
ReplyDeleteand if you don't know, (deny like a kitty on her back ) I'm chivis paladin.
so there it is mini-nemesis, is it you?
ReplyDeletethat lecter behaviour has got you outed pinchi copycat, your cat scratchings leave NO doubt, your multi-pronged many-disguished personality disorder may be genuine, a real psycho would have done a cleaner job, the danger persists that in spite of your incompetence you may be a real criminal...
---WOMEN EVERYWHERE BEWARE! i am sure you've never taken on a real man, with brains, mister mini-psycho, i know you are crying on your keyboard, thurd rate lecter... you were so easy, i feel like i really am dumber than i tought, but here we are, your ball? (-:{
:-) :-) :-) thanks for the YES, no better place! watch your back and take care...