Shame on us , as immigrant from Mexico this is unacceptable a little teen and no anly that but thousands of others that lost their lifes with the only goal of have a better life shows how mexicans care about them only and money that blood is in our hands....Hernano mexicano if you dont do anything about it and then you are part of the problem
"Heartbreaking...wish I hadn't read this at work" It affects me the same way.... Oh man,looking at her face breaks your heart,she has a sad look in her eyes. She may have felt lonely and abandoned with no one to turn to,she was a child with strangers,shit,the more i,m writing the angrier i,m getting.Children should not make journeys like this,there are too many cowardly animalistic bastards with no morality to take the chance she may make it. Noemi Álvarez Quillay we all failed you somehow little one.
So many people would take care of her,but that is wishful thinking and politically incorrect.And now she is gone,without a chance in life,what a world we do live in,beauty and disgraceful shame..
Noemi Álvarez Quillay R.I.P. No more sadness...Except for us at your fate..
i think the writer has his facts wrong. the girl that hanged herself or got murdered is Nohemí Álvarez Astorga (8 yrs old from Durango) not Nohemí Álvarez Quiallay (12 yrs Ecuador)
@10;32. As the article said, her parents are not very talkative right now and are not answering any questions. Her grandmother said the father left right after Noemi was born and the wife joined him when the girl was only 3. I assume that they thought she was too young for such a journey at 3. As the story said it is not unusual in Central America to leave the young ones with grandparents while the parents work in US. They seemed to be doing ok financially now and maybe the coyote convinced the parents that at 12 years of age she was old enough and he could get her to NY. I dunno.
Yes but Ecuador is in South America nowhere near Central Am. Maybe that part was a misprint?
Unless she went across the Isthmus, young miss had to pass through 4 countries to include the Darien to even begin the general trek from Nicaragua. Either way her parents had to know some extreme paramilitary groups for that trip; which is probably why they're so tight lipped.
Poor young miss. Put on that journey alone. Obviously an Indigenous Amyra, I wonder if she spoke sufficient Spanish? And what terrified her at the shelter into suicide ( if it was really suicide)?
Damn! Everybody failed her. Who in their right mind sends a 12 year old on a 4,000 mile trek by herself? It's not as safe as when her parents crossed. Irresponsible!! In her 12 years her parents were never there. Not only that, they forced her to die alone. You're with the angels now sweetie, rest. D.E.P. Noemi Quiallay. -El Nemesis
why not charge the parents with CHILD ENDANGERMENT.... just a thought.... the child should have not been sent alone with the smugglers... supose you leave your minor child in MCDONALDS.., alone you will at least face CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, AND OR
Child abandonment occurs when a parent, guardian, or person in charge of a child either deserts a child without any regard for the child's physical health, safety or welfare and with the intention of wholly abandoning the child, or in some instances, fails to provide necessary care for a child living under their roof.
While child abandonment typically involves physical abandonment - such as leaving a child at a stranger's doorstep when no one is home -- it may also include extreme cases of emotional abandonment -- such as when a "work-a-holic" parent offers little or no physical contact or emotional support over long periods of time.
Unfortunately, abandoned children (also called "foundlings") who do not get their needs met often grow up with low self-esteem, emotional dependency, helplessness, and other issues.
A person charged with child abandonment may face felony or misdemeanor penalties and other consequences.
What Constitutes Child Abandonment? The term "child abandonment" is broadly categorized and used to describe a variety of behaviors. Specific examples of child abandonment vary, but common actions that may lead to child abandonment charges may include:
■Leaving a child with another person without provision for the child's support and without meaningful communication with the child for a period of three months; ■Making only minimal efforts to support and communicate with a child ■Failing for a period of at least six months to maintain regular visitation with a child; ■Failed to participate in a suitable plan or program designed to reunite the parent or guardian with a child; ■Leaving an infant on a doorstep, in trash cans and dumpsters, and on the side of the road ■Being absent from the home for a period of time that created a substantial risk of serious harm to a child left in the home ■Failing to respond to notice of child protective proceedings; or ■Being unwilling to provide care, support, or supervision for the child Child Abandonment Laws Child abandonment laws vary from state to state. Many states include child abandonment within its child abuse laws and vice versa, while some states have laws specifically targeting the act of child abandonment.
Most states classify child abandonment as a felony, which may include situations where a parent or guardian physically abandons a child in any place with the intent of relinquishing all rights and responsibilities to the child.
Other states classify child abandonment as a misdemeanor (with lesser penalties), including situations that involve non-physical acts of abandonment.
In general, child abandonment occurs when:
■A parent, guardian, or other person having physical custody or control of a child ■Without regard for the mental or physical health, safety, or welfare of the child ■Knowing leaves a child (typically under the age of 13) without supervision by a responsible person (typically over the age of 14), or ■Fails to maintain contact with the child or provide reasonable support ■For a specified period of time In the criminal context, child abandonment is defined as physically abandoning a child, but may also include emotional abandonment such as failing to provide the necessary needs to a child. For example, in some states, a parent may be guilty of abandonment if they fail to provide necessary clothing, food, shelter or medical care for their child. In other states, however, parents are only punished for deserting a child with the intention to abandon.
Mandatory Reporting Laws Because child abandonment is considered child abuse in some states, certain people may be required to report known or suspected cases of child abandonment to the proper authorities. Check your state's child abuse laws to see if you qualify as a "mandatory reporter."
Bla bla bla the governments don't care and never will. If they did, people would have jobs wherever the fuck they live, so they don't have to leave their children then send for them to make some insane trek across a continent. Show me a politician from any country and ill show you a piece of shit fucking over other people.
My wifes dad came to the US when she was 3 from El Salvador. When she was 8 she came to Texas with her mom and 5 year old sister. It is insane to think that a child of any age should make that trip alone. Luckly my wife made it safely with no issues. But things have gotten so bad at the border that chances are she would have never made it safely even with her mom with her. The smugglers usually have no morals, but they are the ones with the guns. To sad.
This is why we need to stop the flow of illegal immigration and find a safe and responsible way for people to migrate to the US from central and south american. Problem is the democrate party will never let that happen. They depend on the open border because they feel that it is a constant flow of future democrat voters. As long as they continue to hand out treats every now and then. The only problem is that the democrate party doesn't represent the values that we have. My father came to this country to work. And work he did. He is retired now. It just seems like today the democrates just want people to sign of for welfare and as soon as you take that free money it is hard to get off. 1 out of 4 americans recieve food allowance. And that number is growing. What happens when it becomes 2 out of 4 or 3 out of 4. Democrate party is made up of poor to lower middle class and the extreme rich. Guess when ones are the rulers and which ones are the dependents expected to vote for them. Its a shame what has happened to the political system here. TO bad they can just make all political parties illegal. Republicans have issues too, but at least they havn't turned against God. Yet.
Your post as about as asinine as it can get! The story was about a child's dangerous journey and eventual death and you go on a political rant...how brilliant.
So sad,but it happens everyday a lil one alone in those border towns trying to get to their parients RIP Noemi.now you're in heaven in company of angels where you belong.
Father said: "We want to move on..." really??????? my mother lost her only son and never "Moved on"
The actions of he and his wife are criminal. I think there must be better focus on the fact these parents are at the core of blame. I agree this is child endangerment at its least. The child was happy at the only home she has known for 12 years, selfishness has no place in parenthood.
If we would close the southern border these kids would not be traveling alone or with criminals. They could apply legally to join there parents if they are here legally.
If you are here illegally my suggestion is go back home, we don't want you, we can't afford you, and of you put to big of a drain on US resources it could turn violent.
If these oppressed people would just grow the huevos grandes and a spine in their back needed to get rid of the idiots in their governments who create the problems that make life so unlivable down there, they could stay and have a great life!! So even though the death of this young girl is a terrible thing, it's hard for me to really feel bad about it, knowing what I do about the corruption and incompetence of the people who are supposed to be national leaders. Get rid of the scum at the top and then see how a nation can prosper under free market economics instead of capitalism (creating phony money out of thin air), socialism, communism and fascism.
"They could apply legally to join there parents if they are here legally.we don't want you, we can't afford you, and of you put to big of a drain on US resources it could turn violent" I can imagine the names you would be called if this story was about Zetas or CDG,but because it is about a lost little girl,many will not bother to read this story,and so,will not see your post..
Supposing the people of Ecuador fix their own country. We in the USA have enough trouble without extra mouths to feed or employ. Send the parents home. End of problem. Send them ALL home to fix their own countries. A flood of angry expats coming home could make a difference!
Why those people from ecuador were attracted to that cess-pit america is beyond my imagination and to leave all your children behind tells me they couldn't care less about them. They were attracted in their selfish greed, leaving their own children behind, both of them even while their children were babies. The parents are to blame.
She was left with her grandparents to be loved and cared for. The parents took a long and dangerous journey because of their love for their child. Living in poverty with all its ills. Little chance for a better life. Surrounded by hunger and idiocy. A heart ache for their baby girl.
And you, 9:30 PM. Trying to apply American law to these hurting immigrants.
"What Constitutes Child Abandonment? The term "child abandonment" is broadly categorized and used to describe a variety of behaviors. Specific examples of child abandonment vary, but common actions that may lead to child abandonment charges may include:
■Leaving a child with another person without provision for the child's support and without meaningful communication with the child for a period of three months; ■Making only minimal efforts to support and communicate with a child ■Failing for a period of at least six months to maintain regular visitation with a child; ■Failed to participate in a suitable plan or program designed to reunite the parent or guardian with a child; ■Leaving an infant on a doorstep, in trash cans and dumpsters, and on the side of the road ■Being absent from the home for a period of time that created a substantial risk of serious harm to a child left in the home ■Failing to respond to notice of child protective proceedings; or ■Being unwilling to provide care, support, or supervision for the child Child Abandonment Laws Child abandonment laws vary from state to state. Many states include child abandonment within its child abuse laws and vice versa, while some states have laws specifically targeting the act of child abandonment."
The parents did none of those things that you accuse them of.
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What a shame! Everyone directly or indirectly but that child is to blame for her death.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the article Chivis. I don't understand though, why did her parents go to New York without her?
ReplyDeleteIt is DD's post....
ReplyDeleteHeartbreaking...wish I hadn't read this at work.
ReplyDeleteShame on us , as immigrant from Mexico this is unacceptable a little teen and no anly that but thousands of others that lost their lifes with the only goal of have a better life shows how mexicans care about them only and money that blood is in our hands....Hernano mexicano if you dont do anything about it and then you are part of the problem
ReplyDeletePues ponte a trabajar
ReplyDelete"Heartbreaking...wish I hadn't read this at work"
ReplyDeleteIt affects me the same way....
Oh man,looking at her face breaks your heart,she has a sad look in her eyes.
She may have felt lonely and abandoned with no one to turn to,she was a child with strangers,shit,the more i,m writing the angrier i,m getting.Children should not make journeys like this,there are too many cowardly animalistic bastards with no morality to take the chance she may make it.
Noemi Álvarez Quillay we all failed you somehow little one.
Rip little girl now you can live free of harm ;/ this shit is so fucken sad ..I'm an american with heart js
ReplyDeleteSo many people would take care of her,but that is wishful thinking and politically incorrect.And now she is gone,without a chance in life,what a world we do live in,beauty and disgraceful shame..
ReplyDeleteNoemi Álvarez Quillay R.I.P. No more sadness...Except for us at your fate..
i think the writer has his facts wrong. the girl that hanged herself or got murdered is Nohemí Álvarez Astorga (8 yrs old from Durango) not Nohemí Álvarez Quiallay (12 yrs Ecuador)
ReplyDelete@10;32. As the article said, her parents are not very talkative right now and are not answering any questions. Her grandmother said the father left right after Noemi was born and the wife joined him when the girl was only 3. I assume that they thought she was too young for such a journey at 3. As the story said it is not unusual in Central America to leave the young ones with grandparents while the parents work in US. They seemed to be doing ok financially now and maybe the coyote convinced the parents that at 12 years of age she was old enough and he could get her to NY. I dunno.
ReplyDeleteYes but Ecuador is in South America nowhere near Central Am. Maybe that part was a misprint?
DeleteUnless she went across the Isthmus, young miss had to pass through 4 countries to include the Darien to even begin the general trek from Nicaragua. Either way her parents had to know some extreme paramilitary groups for that trip; which is probably why they're so tight lipped.
Poor young miss. Put on that journey alone. Obviously an Indigenous Amyra, I wonder if she spoke sufficient Spanish? And what terrified her at the shelter into suicide ( if it was really suicide)?
Damn! Everybody failed her. Who in their right mind sends a 12 year old on a 4,000 mile trek by herself? It's not as safe as when her parents crossed. Irresponsible!! In her 12 years her parents were never there. Not only that, they forced her to die alone. You're with the angels now sweetie, rest. D.E.P. Noemi Quiallay. -El Nemesis
ReplyDeletewhy not charge the parents with CHILD ENDANGERMENT.... just a thought.... the child should have not been sent alone with the smugglers... supose you leave your minor child in MCDONALDS.., alone you will at least face CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, AND OR
ReplyDeleteChild abandonment occurs when a parent, guardian, or person in charge of a child either deserts a child without any regard for the child's physical health, safety or welfare and with the intention of wholly abandoning the child, or in some instances, fails to provide necessary care for a child living under their roof.
While child abandonment typically involves physical abandonment - such as leaving a child at a stranger's doorstep when no one is home -- it may also include extreme cases of emotional abandonment -- such as when a "work-a-holic" parent offers little or no physical contact or emotional support over long periods of time.
Unfortunately, abandoned children (also called "foundlings") who do not get their needs met often grow up with low self-esteem, emotional dependency, helplessness, and other issues.
A person charged with child abandonment may face felony or misdemeanor penalties and other consequences.
What Constitutes Child Abandonment?
The term "child abandonment" is broadly categorized and used to describe a variety of behaviors. Specific examples of child abandonment vary, but common actions that may lead to child abandonment charges may include:
■Leaving a child with another person without provision for the child's support and without meaningful communication with the child for a period of three months;
■Making only minimal efforts to support and communicate with a child
■Failing for a period of at least six months to maintain regular visitation with a child;
■Failed to participate in a suitable plan or program designed to reunite the parent or guardian with a child;
■Leaving an infant on a doorstep, in trash cans and dumpsters, and on the side of the road
■Being absent from the home for a period of time that created a substantial risk of serious harm to a child left in the home
■Failing to respond to notice of child protective proceedings; or
■Being unwilling to provide care, support, or supervision for the child
Child Abandonment Laws
Child abandonment laws vary from state to state. Many states include child abandonment within its child abuse laws and vice versa, while some states have laws specifically targeting the act of child abandonment.
Most states classify child abandonment as a felony, which may include situations where a parent or guardian physically abandons a child in any place with the intent of relinquishing all rights and responsibilities to the child.
Other states classify child abandonment as a misdemeanor (with lesser penalties), including situations that involve non-physical acts of abandonment.
In general, child abandonment occurs when:
■A parent, guardian, or other person having physical custody or control of a child
■Without regard for the mental or physical health, safety, or welfare of the child
■Knowing leaves a child (typically under the age of 13) without supervision by a responsible person (typically over the age of 14), or
■Fails to maintain contact with the child or provide reasonable support
■For a specified period of time
In the criminal context, child abandonment is defined as physically abandoning a child, but may also include emotional abandonment such as failing to provide the necessary needs to a child. For example, in some states, a parent may be guilty of abandonment if they fail to provide necessary clothing, food, shelter or medical care for their child. In other states, however, parents are only punished for deserting a child with the intention to abandon.
Mandatory Reporting Laws
Because child abandonment is considered child abuse in some states, certain people may be required to report known or suspected cases of child abandonment to the proper authorities. Check your state's child abuse laws to see if you qualify as a "mandatory reporter."
She wasn't abandoned, she was left in the grandparents care.& what do US family laws have to do with Ecuador or Mexico?
DeleteAnyhow, I believe the parents endangered her by having her make that journey.
Bla bla bla the governments don't care and never will. If they did, people would have jobs wherever the fuck they live, so they don't have to leave their children then send for them to make some insane trek across a continent. Show me a politician from any country and ill show you a piece of shit fucking over other people.
ReplyDeletePongan dinero vamos a pelearles a todos los k andan pasandose d verga con la raza ya basta! Pobres chamacos...
ReplyDeleteMy wifes dad came to the US when she was 3 from El Salvador. When she was 8 she came to Texas with her mom and 5 year old sister. It is insane to think that a child of any age should make that trip alone. Luckly my wife made it safely with no issues. But things have gotten so bad at the border that chances are she would have never made it safely even with her mom with her. The smugglers usually have no morals, but they are the ones with the guns. To sad.
ReplyDeleteThis is why we need to stop the flow of illegal immigration and find a safe and responsible way for people to migrate to the US from central and south american. Problem is the democrate party will never let that happen. They depend on the open border because they feel that it is a constant flow of future democrat voters. As long as they continue to hand out treats every now and then. The only problem is that the democrate party doesn't represent the values that we have. My father came to this country to work. And work he did. He is retired now. It just seems like today the democrates just want people to sign of for welfare and as soon as you take that free money it is hard to get off. 1 out of 4 americans recieve food allowance. And that number is growing. What happens when it becomes 2 out of 4 or 3 out of 4. Democrate party is made up of poor to lower middle class and the extreme rich. Guess when ones are the rulers and which ones are the dependents expected to vote for them. Its a shame what has happened to the political system here. TO bad they can just make all political parties illegal. Republicans have issues too, but at least they havn't turned against God. Yet.
ReplyDeleteYour post as about as asinine as it can get! The story was about a child's dangerous journey and eventual death and you go on a political rant...how brilliant.
DeleteSo sad,but it happens everyday a lil one alone in those border towns trying to get to their parients RIP Noemi.now you're in heaven in company of angels where you belong.
ReplyDeleteit's stories like this that make me loose faith in the human race.
ReplyDeleteGod bless this little angel, may she RIP..
=.(.....
Father said:
ReplyDelete"We want to move on..."
really??????? my mother lost her only son and never "Moved on"
The actions of he and his wife are criminal. I think there must be better focus on the fact these parents are at the core of blame. I agree this is child endangerment at its least. The child was happy at the only home she has known for 12 years, selfishness has no place in parenthood.
If we would close the southern border these kids would not be traveling alone or with criminals. They could apply legally to join there parents if they are here legally.
ReplyDeleteIf you are here illegally my suggestion is go back home, we don't want you, we can't afford you, and of you put to big of a drain on US resources it could turn violent.
If these oppressed people would just grow the huevos grandes and a spine in their back needed to get rid of the idiots in their governments who create the problems that make life so unlivable down there, they could stay and have a great life!! So even though the death of this young girl is a terrible thing, it's hard for me to really feel bad about it, knowing what I do about the corruption and incompetence of the people who are supposed to be national leaders. Get rid of the scum at the top and then see how a nation can prosper under free market economics instead of capitalism (creating phony money out of thin air), socialism, communism and fascism.
ReplyDelete"They could apply legally to join there parents if they are here legally.we don't want you, we can't afford you, and of you put to big of a drain on US resources it could turn violent"
ReplyDeleteI can imagine the names you would be called if this story was about Zetas or CDG,but because it is about a lost little girl,many will not bother to read this story,and so,will not see your post..
Supposing the people of Ecuador fix their own country. We in the USA have enough trouble without extra mouths to feed or employ. Send the parents home. End of problem. Send them ALL home to fix their own countries. A flood of angry expats coming home could make a difference!
ReplyDeleteWhy those people from ecuador were attracted to that cess-pit america is beyond my imagination and to leave all your children behind tells me they couldn't care less about them. They were attracted in their selfish greed, leaving their own children behind, both of them even while their children were babies. The parents are to blame.
ReplyDeleteHow sad a story this is. And if adopting children from outisde of country weren't so plastered with RED TAPE many children would have a new home.
ReplyDeleteSalva P., canadá
@ 9:30 PM
ReplyDeleteIs it abandonment?
She was left with her grandparents to be loved and cared for. The parents took a long and dangerous journey because of their love for their child. Living in poverty with all its ills. Little chance for a better life. Surrounded by hunger and idiocy. A heart ache for their baby girl.
And you, 9:30 PM. Trying to apply American law to these hurting immigrants.
"What Constitutes Child Abandonment?
The term "child abandonment" is broadly categorized and used to describe a variety of behaviors. Specific examples of child abandonment vary, but common actions that may lead to child abandonment charges may include:
■Leaving a child with another person without provision for the child's support and without meaningful communication with the child for a period of three months;
■Making only minimal efforts to support and communicate with a child
■Failing for a period of at least six months to maintain regular visitation with a child;
■Failed to participate in a suitable plan or program designed to reunite the parent or guardian with a child;
■Leaving an infant on a doorstep, in trash cans and dumpsters, and on the side of the road
■Being absent from the home for a period of time that created a substantial risk of serious harm to a child left in the home
■Failing to respond to notice of child protective proceedings; or
■Being unwilling to provide care, support, or supervision for the child
Child Abandonment Laws
Child abandonment laws vary from state to state. Many states include child abandonment within its child abuse laws and vice versa, while some states have laws specifically targeting the act of child abandonment."
The parents did none of those things that you accuse them of.
They are only guilty of love.
Peace,
ESB