A .50-caliber is a massive rifle that can stop a car or, as it was intended, take down a helicopter.
After the raid on Jan. 8 in the city of Los Mochis that killed five of his men and wounded one Mexican marine, officials found a number of weapons inside the house where Guzman was staying, including the rifle, officials said.
When agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives checked serial numbers of the eight weapons found in his possession, they found one of the two .50-caliber weapons traced back to the ATF program, sources said.
Federal officials told Fox News they are not sure how many of the weapons seized from Guzman’s house actually originated in the U.S. and where they were purchased, but are investigating.
Out of the roughly 2,000 weapons sold through Fast and Furious, 34 were .50-caliber rifles that can take down a helicopter, according to officials.
Federal law enforcement sources told Fox News that ‘El Chapo’ would put his guardsmen on hilltops to be on guard for Mexican police helicopters that would fly through valleys conducting raids. The sole purpose of the guardsmen would be to shoot down those helicopters, sources said.
The Fast and Furious operation involved federal agents allowing criminals to buy guns with the intention of tracking them.
Instead, agents from the ATF lost track of 1,400 of the 2,000 guns involved in the sting operation.
The operation allowed criminals to buy guns in Phoenix-area shops with the intention of tracking them once they made their way into Mexico.
The operation became a major distraction for the Obama administration as Republicans in Congress conducted a series of inquiries into how the Justice Department allowed such an operation to happen.
Former Attorney General Eric Holder was held in contempt after he refused to divulge documents for a congressional investigation into the matter.
This is the third time a weapon from the Fast and Furious program has been found at a high-profile Mexican crime scene.
Thanks for posting this, Tex. It came out earlier in the day on some "conservative" sites, so I'm glad a BB reporter had the guts to post it. Facts are facts and Fast and Furious was a complete idiotic disaster that resulted in the death of many innocent people.
ReplyDeleteI think we are missing the point, which is how easy is for guns to be purchase in the legal market and then ending in the hands of criminals. don't tell me the guns from that operation are the only ones that were purchase legally. And the U S people need to know that we have to increase measures to avoid this. for example how did the terrorist of San Bernardino got a hold of the weapons used to killed innocents? with the help of a friend. There is a need to have Universal background checks, so people associated with criminals cannot get guns in the legal market. And make whoever purchase a gun legally not able to sell his or her gun without another universal background to the prospect buyer, or held the seller responsible if he or she does not follow the rules. Just a thought
DeleteThe thing that bothers me the most is that nobody will pay for what they did on this side of the border.
DeleteGuns can be bought illegaly at gun shows across America. Sellers only care about making their profit. No 1 measure can prevent criminals from buying them.
Delete@1:45 If you actually had a fucking clue about what your talking about you'd know there already exists a background check and penalties for buying weapons for people other then yourself, it's called straw purchasing, and neither one of the laws have stopped criminals from getting the weapons they want, because their criminals. If people want to actually make a real difference in the violence that comes with drug trafficking they need to come together and get the drug laws abolished because pushing stupid Universal background checks, waiting periods, and any of the other dumbshit laws clowns try to get passed will do nothing. When I was a kid at age 13 I kept a 25 auto with me at all times and do you think for one minute I worried about some stupid background check, no I worried about someone else having something they'd get me with. Now that I've grown up and bettered my ways I use the wisdom I've been given from my past in understanding the whole gun control debate which really comes down to either you ban firearms completely, and try and confiscate all of them which would end up a bloody mess or we do the best we can with the laws we already have on the books and get rid of some of the worthless ones that are unconstitutional anyway.
Delete@ 8:37 - i am so glad you said what yo said because i was about to. when people say "we need universal background checks" goes to show everyone that they don't own guns or know anything about guns. because of precisely what you said, we already have background checks in place. snot to mention we have almost 2000 gun laws in place that are not enforced, just like immigration...if we would just enforce the laws on the books, instead of talking about making more laws. As much as i love my country (USA), the past 10-15 years have brought us to a low point, not to mention the emasculation of men in this country and everyone being offended about literally everything. it makes me sick.
DeleteYeeep!pay for the drugs with pistolas, amerikkkan weapons merchanzzz and manufacturers need all the help they can use, pay with weapons instead of money to enhance the revenue, but that was going on since Operation Wide Receiver was officially started under "w", and I mean OFFICIALLY, BECAUSE WEAPONS FOR DRUGS IS A LOOONG STORY...
ReplyDeleteYou must know a lot about it, don't you wide receiver.
Deletetengo una super del once con la cifra 1100. es del primer ano de production, esta preciosa nunca a disparado, tiene sus dos cargadores orignales. estoy quierendo agarar ondas de cuanta lana me podria traer esta hermosura de esquadra... algun aficionado de armas or alguien ke sabe de precios me podria decir mas o menos quanto vale?
ReplyDeleteTe la compro, nos son muy caras, te doy 500 baros.
Delete500 varos, mexican...
DeleteUna once nueva vale $500 por lo menos.
DeleteSi es de tipo y marka buena no pierden valor.
Si no estan gastadas los mechanismos no la venderia.
Si quieres una de 9
Cambia el cañon resorte y cartucho a 9mm ya que es barrato esa bala.
No se como estan las leyes de arma de fuego en MX pero de vacacion fui a Califas y las leyes de arma de fuego son muy duras. Estaba descalso (no estaba armado)
That eric holder is a piece of shit, he must had got paid by the sinaloa cartel to let all those weapons get loose just like that, loosing track to most of them, how convinient.... Felipe calderon was the president when fast and furious happened, how many m'frs got in that deal of arming that drug cartel, eh?
ReplyDeletedoesn't even have iron sights. I heard that cartels will use .50 rifle in close quarter combat to suppress most of the time. Doesn't make much sense really.
ReplyDelete50 cal is huge. Just passing by will cause some damage when it shrapnels its an issue not to mention when it impacts and penetrates.
DeleteThat marine got hit with a 50cal during operation black swan
the marine at the beginning of the video got hit by a. 50 cal? well im sure it wasn't directly because it will have ripped him apart.
DeleteThis is 2:14
DeleteWell I saw the combat video like 20 times I rewound the clip over and over again.
The one giving orders tells every one to look up while they ram the door. Why in fucks name would you order all the guys to look up at the ceiling in the middle of a breach?
Then once they clear the room chapo was in he tells one guy to check behind the mirrors. How does he know and why does it take so long (90minutes) to find out that the mirrors hid an escape tunnel?
Seems like the one that gives orders doesn't know how to operate or may be bribes.
Either way I saw the aftermath video and they say that they were being attacked by 50 cals .
Yes shrapnel from a 50 will end your life.
It's a sniper rifle, not an anti aircraft gun.
Delete9:44 a .50 is an anti material rifle. A sniper is someone trained to shoot and hit a target at long range. He can use a. 223,.303,.308 etc. it doesn't matter. But when they use a .50 is usually for specific targets, usually tanks or armor vehicles.
Delete3:23 wrong with your last sentence.
DeleteThis shit just gets more interesting lol
ReplyDeleteCan't wait to read "expert" commentary from BB posters about the 50 cal.
ReplyDeleteSay-ahn
What are you talking about?
DeleteMore often than not you get self assured posters imparting analysis about things they clearly know nothing about. It's halirious.
DeleteMaybe thats why they caught el chapo, fast and furious did its job! Not to say all the capos that have been apprehended since the operation began...
ReplyDeleteYou need to open your eyes.
DeleteATF dropped the ball with Fast and Furious... Funny how everyone fears the 50 cal... No noise however over the RPGs or the fact that not everyone owns a 50 cal, where's the Ammo for it coming from?
ReplyDeleteIt is homemade
DeleteAnd where did the RPG come from?
ReplyDeleteGuatemala
DeleteAnd who pays for that mistake....no one
ReplyDeleteWe are working on it OK.
DeleteYou see fast an furious proved what they suspected bad people like drug dealers buy these guns and they are used by organized crime to kill innocent people can someone give the genius who tought of this great idea a raise or bonus o yeahhh i almost forgot on behalf of all good citizens of mexico CHINGeEEn A su Madreeeeee ATF and USA. Gracias
ReplyDeleteDon't forget about the gun that shot and killed the two surfers from Australia nack in November.Those guns probebly originated in the U.S.
Delete'Those guns probebly originated in the U.S'
DeleteProbably the most useless statement in this thread?
No shit Sherlock,anyone got a certificate of intelligence?Well dont fuckin give it to this guy?
Probably originated in the US?I don't know,i really don't.
10:39 PM
DeleteHere we go.Angry at the US for this fuck up but don't get angry at Mexican politicians,and Mexicans dying horribly every day.You know i think a lot of US citizens are more outraged at Mexicans dying than Mexicans themselves?Fuck is that all about?Turned into a very strange culture.
Yeah don't forget about this don't forget about that,meanwhile its the same dance every day in Mexico.Never going to end,too much hate and antagonism directed at the wrong targets?
Well mexico was just fine before the United States started sending guns over here we were alive and well and poor but no matter how corrupt the government is we were alive and had no fear of getting killed. And as far as US citizens being outraged. Nope not buying it.Maybe high from all the drugs you buy from us ;-)
DeleteMexicans are not just dying horribly out of the blue. the guns that are being sent are killing Mexicans horribly. WTF u mean the wrong targets
DeleteDo some research on guns in mexico and where most of them come from?And to be fair do research on were drugs are coming from to US
And not its not all mexicans growing drugs and smuggling them its only the ones US arms
8:19 the ones the US arms are the mexican government mainly, after they caught two CIA planes fully loaded with CACAINE...
Delete12:20
DeleteThey swept it under the rug.
Would be nice to have an old fashioned Mexican stand off with the CIA. Winner takes plane full of coca.
Here is why the Cartel is wininng the war...
To be CIA/DEA you have to be able to deep throat uncle sams cock. You gotta polish his nut sack and suck it dry swallow and smile. It takes years of screening and years of experience to become DEA CIA . so when one fucker is killed its like they found out they have prostate cancer.
When one narco is killed the Cartel has to send flowers and a small amount of money to the family and replace him with Another narco.
That is why CIA DEA get so mad when they have an officer down. They are hard to replace.
Come on people it's no secret the white folks are deep in the game too,only diference is they don't let money get to their head.
ReplyDeleteU.S. weapons to shoot down U.S. helicopters paid for by U.S. taxpayers.
Delete11:51 pm. As someone who has followed the total freaking debacle of Fast & Furious since day one,you definitely are obviously unaware of the facts. Before you make another incompetent comment,why not educate yourself on this issue. To label this nightmare a "white" problem is ludicrous. Fast & Furious has always been an issue about the incompetent US agencies involved. From ATF,DEA to the very top...The Justice Department! The lies,cover ups and corruption continues to this day. Last I checked Eric Holder is an African-American. If you have to comment about a subject that involves the death of innocents,at least know WTF you are talking about. Peace to all innocents. Grazie BB.
DeleteThat's nothing.. I've heard mr guzman has weapons that are stronger.. and only the US military has. No other cartel has them. Viva el chapo. Atte el morroñis de la palma navolato, sinaloa ajuuaa.
ReplyDeletecayate pinche cheerleder!! ni saves Nada!!
Delete@1:02 I bet you heard that on a fake ass corridor huh
DeletePendejos, lost track!?!? Hahahaha, we'll all the fire power and it wasn't even used by Chapo or his henchmen bunch of idiots should of gone out guns blazin!
ReplyDeleteThis time it was a balck mans fault. Eric Holder thanks 4 being that fall guy.
ReplyDeleteNo "Wide Receiver Operation" weapons have ever been recovered?
DeleteAfter "w" they changed the name to "Fast and Furious" but it had the same old components, NRA, ARIZONA, MC CAIN, ARPAIO, PRISONS FOR PROFIT AND OF COURSE, DRUG TRAFFICKING...
Fox news reported it. Lol ok there trustworthy
ReplyDeleteMany of those weapons la familia michoacana had and used aya si le entraban no como in sinaloa todos fantochos y al la hora gallinonas..
ReplyDeleteThat's true, these sinaloas have sll that ammo but just for looks. When they try catching cartel leaders from michoacan it gets ugly. just look at what cjng or la familia did
DeleteOhh ohh,Fast and Furioso rears its head again.What were its motives again?Who cares,it was the gringos who did it.
ReplyDeleteOh shit,watch all the anti-US bile issue like a torrent.
Feel the love,you can feel it all the time.
6:11 AM
ReplyDeleteDude,it has to be someones fault?Holder will do,anyone will do.
all that amo and they didn't kill ONE soldier! These guys are lame.. arent they all ex-marines and special ops.? lol bunch of bull shhhh lol
ReplyDeletesame thing i was wondering
DeleteThe spec ops were Oziel's people back in the late 90s the original zetas . Sinaloa cartel has never been much of a fighter.
Delete2:54pm but you act tuff behind a computer screen
Delete7:04 it's true, just look at how much corridos chapo has about how tuff he and his body guards are and at the end he gives himself up lol or all the anthax corridos about how they are the tuffest but are all dead because they wete too busy on facebook and social media... even the gente nueva arent as tuff as they say in their corridos, they get taken out by la linea or beltranes/zetas who don't want much corridos or to be known publicly.
DeleteEl chapo's businesses remain untouched, while Kate del casquillo's family home is investigated, she bought it for her parents who ever made enough money to buy their own, after a life time in the artistic world...because that who is who.
DeleteEl chapo escaped, la kate badmouthed peña nieto and his muuuy vista teleputa, la guilota, I mean la gaviota, who poses now as the billion dollar barbie doll owner of la casa blanca...
--And you don't provoke a bitch like that, much less two and their gang of mastiff lambeculos...
All tht shit... Armored trucks or cars, bout 20 high powered weapons & a rpg... Only 1 common sense question left... Where's the $$$$$$$ MONEY?.. Forbes list 3 or 4yrs... Yet no word about a peso, yen, pound, or dollar... #ElChapoRobbed or the U.S. gov over exaggerated his business 2 make the most wanted so they cn just take his shit...
ReplyDeleteI pretty sure its stashed in multiple locations...
Delete"Lost track of them"? The DOJ never intended to track them. If they had wanted to do that, no forced purchases from legal gun shops would have been necessary. For those of you who are so sure that all the cartel weapons come from the U.S., you should also be aware that almost no Mexicans were shot by U.S. citizens. Who pulls the trigger? Other Mexican citizens.
ReplyDeleteA corrupt Mexican government, working with a corrupt U.S. government brings about death by drugs in the north and death by gunfire in the south.
Criminals do crimes, violent people do violent things, they always have. You will never, ever stop violent criminals from getting guns, from China, America, Russia, Pakistan, Iran etc. coming through Honduras, Venezuela, Guat.
As for the expert who referred to Op Wide Receiver: none of those weapons were "lost". Op Tradewinds was the Fast and Furious directed to Honduras and the Carib. Nobody ever even talks about that.
The Mexican military and Police forces kill most of the Mexican citizens. The Mexican government has connections to the U.S. government, don't you think....Maybe that's what is lacking, somebody isn't thinking. They're so busy trying to blame law abiding U.S. citizens that they forget, the corrupt government and the criminals they set free (or never even arrest) are doing the killing.
No wide receiver weapons were lost, and the number of weapons was much, much smaller..
ReplyDeleteJaime Zapeda was murdered because he knew what happened and why. The agent driving the car was from ATF. He was the only surviving witness. Jaime was supposedly killed with an AK, but the driver was only wounded slightly. The drivers story doesn't wash.