Big thanks to "Mica" of BB forum who contributed this information. The timeline is translated by Mica.
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There are only two
routes.
- The broken black line (with arrow) that runs through the Melacon. It is doubtful they took this route, it's cobblestone and you pass a judicial police building.
- The second route is the purple line, which is most likely the route taken, is much faster and goes through a tunnel. Where the purple arrow ends, a single lane road going uphill with speed bumps on the road. Once here, it's a long road to nowhere.
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| Recent photo of Alfredo Guzman-with Kate Del Castillo |
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an idea of where the restaurant is in green and the red is where the marina and
army have bases.
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This was done by the people of tito beltran , nothing to do whit cjng so dont get all wet cheerleaders , but i hope they kill those greedy fucks of ivan and alfredo
ReplyDeleteCjng real buddy
DeleteGente del sapo or 090
DeleteTito Beltran doesn't run anything he has no power in the organization at all. He gets what he wants material wise but no shot calling that's a real fact. He refuses to get into the business and family would rather him continue with school like he has been.
DeleteTito is his cousin .
DeleteWhat happened in la Tuna was for Tito grandfather .
This is CJNG at work .
Titos granfathers murder was never resolved Tito want Auteliano Guzman dead chapos brother he's the one that killed his grandpa , they never handed over Aureliano so if it's not on good terms it's gonna be on bad terms Tito Beltran holds more power than what you guys think
DeleteTito is his cousin he also attacked chapos moms house there is no more relationship between them Tito wants Aureliano dead and he's gonna get it just watch
Delete@4:09 that is not true. Tito is definitely in the business. Where did you hear otherwise?
Delete@4:09 when you're in the business you know the business and I can tell you my friend he is DEFINITELY not in charge. Can't tell all but just know he has NOTHING to do with it at all he never ran into consuelos it was a strategy by the government to start a war
DeleteNo, Sean Penn.
ReplyDeleteSo El Mencho was there?? Which one of the pictures is he?
ReplyDeletepersonally i do not believe he was there, himself that is.
Deleteoh, my god, Lazarus walks again, CHIVAAA! quien te quiere?
DeleteI'm sorry but I ain't sorry, looong time no see, I know this is not about you, but in a way it IS chiba, welcome baaack!
Atentamente...
Awwww, you made me smile at the end of a long day. I will try and work the blog a couple days a week. Abrazos...
DeleteNah, at first I though it says that but if you look and read closely it says that el mencho leads the jalisco cartel not that he was there himself at the kidnaping.
DeleteFrom Chiraq
Your adrenaline surges in any confrontation. - El Sol Perdido
ReplyDeleteKate del castillo is a disgusting woman. Imagine knowing what these animals do to other people all for their own personal gain and to sit there next to that beast and warmly embrace everything that dirtbag is and represents. DISGUSTING. I hope del castillo gets a taste of what these animals bring to the everyday poor folks of mexico and beyond.
ReplyDeleteCorrecto. Im glad someone like you tells the truth. I think the movie and telenovela people should boycott her.
DeleteThe mexican government has stated many times that Kate had nothing to do with chapo's capture. I like Kate, i just dont understand why a person like her with a great dad who has an impecable reputación, is doing with these criminals. yo hablo como un individuo que conoce many of them, just dont do business with them.
DeleteThey were tracking him thru her phone.
DeleteSo we can confirm "Alfredillo" was kidnapped..
ReplyDeleteBut what about Ivan??
I'm so confused myself, some sources say Ivan was also one of the kidnapped and other sources state that its only Alfredito ,I do not know who to believe!
DeleteIn the last picture top left corner you can see the violence already has begun. The sicario couldnt even wait to get into the car he is already torturing a victim. Guys are all sickos.
ReplyDeleteHow is he already torturing the guy? Looks maybe he's focusing gun near guy's head? Hard to see on my cell. Thx
DeleteCanadian girl
1:02 it would be torture if you are expecting a hand up your ass and you don't get it, otherwise, no torture, just normal police work.
Deleteand there you go, it looks like an inside job/ betrayal...
ReplyDeletelook at the timeline, when one of the men excused himself and said goodbye to everyone exactly one minute later the hitmen storm in and take Chapo's son.... Also, it was men in a Tundra and Suburban plus 2 white vans to carry the hostages away... Seems like they were scouted/followed for some time and it also seems like the shit US forces do during extractions of enemy targets but thats just my opinion...
That was my first thought too seems a bit suspicious the dude left just before.
DeleteI agree with this. If someone steps outside for "1 minute" and then next thing you know 10 armed men come running in, or a bomb goes off, or anything bad happens at all, you can guarantee that the person that stepped outside for "1 minute" is part of the conspiracy. I wonder if the person who stepped out was one of Chapo's kids' body guards or something - maybe he sold them out for money or his family is being threatened/held somewhere.
DeleteAnyway I'm really looking forward to a torture/decapitation video of a capo as highly ranked as one of the Guzman children. So excited!!! The icing on the cake is that their behavior over instagram really pissed me off. I hated how they flaunted their money in my face - the money their fathers made from the blood of their fellow Mexican brothers and sisters. They're getting what's coming to them and I'm super excited to see it!
5:02 PM- yeah dude, it sounds like your jealous of these guys more than anything. You WANT a beheading video because they had it good and you obviously didn't. You sound fucked up in the head more than these cartel guys. Go get therapy, thank me later
DeleteIf they were Americans they Wld be wearing tactical gear. No question. So what you're saying is dumb.
DeleteMaybe 5:o2 got it through the "ears"
DeletePero ahi anda de caliente.
Man @ 3:53 by your comments your not much better than these guys, it says more about you then it says about them if your excited to see something like that sicko
DeleteOut of all places your partying in Puerto Vallarta for 8 days, in same location, knowing everyone wants your head on a platter bcuz of your dad.
ReplyDeleteSorry to say but they deserve to be caught you were to think to keep a low profile, instead of flashing your cars/homes on facebook, 8 days was to long, word gets around
Totally agree with you. It was the height of arrogance and stupidty for El Chapos sons to put themselves in that situation. As you pointed out,everyone wanted them either dead or locked up with their daddy. Grazie BB for the excellent coverage. Any updates on Ivan? Peace.
DeleteYes he was a dumbass.
DeleteI have to agree. Where was the security detail? Usually, there is always a couple of guys milling about, with the black man purses,you know, the ones that have the 9 mm Glock inside. For all the tourists that don't know:Always keep an eye out for the man purse.
DeleteI guess he thought if he kept a low enough profile and it was just him and like 4 other guys, with no guns, that nobody would recognize who he was and he could just party anywhere he wanted to.
DeleteBig mistake. He will now die the way thousands of his Sinaloa foot soldiers have died - decapitated with a rusty knife.
Yes you're right @5:01
DeleteIn Tamaulipas they carry las piñas in them man purses
LOL at the manpurse comment. I always wondered, not that I'm a security expert, but how on earth do you get that pistol out fast enough if something transpires? Last year in PV a odd looking fellow had 2 guys with the Crock dundee vest and black manbag while he was laying out covered in oil. Needless to say, I went to the other side of the pool. I was tempted to act like a dumb American and ask him why he had so much security. Also I've seen one family at a breakfast joint down there surrounded in all directions by armed security, man bags 360 degrees. Speaking of the man purse....I went to a nightclub in Acapulco this year while the President's daughters were partying...they only had like 4 armed bodyguards, manpurses of course and one was a chick...
DeleteTexas granma, nice to have you lurching, what about those photos of youses? I swear nobody would recognize you, but if you send recent ones, we will love you even more,
DeletePues no k muy escoltas personal con bazucas y blindadas apa???? Jajajaja cortenle la cabeza a ese hijo de su put....
ReplyDeleteYea I thought they had cartel personal on stand by at all times equipped with tactical gear and high caliber rifles..
Delete-The people 'raised' were levantados as in kidnapped.
ReplyDelete-The vehicles 'raised' were confiscated or taken posession of by the 'actorities'...
-The paternal way one of the kidnappers holds the guy in the foto reminds me of the way police and marinas and soldiers held el chapo and holds other arrestees, except for the teacher students of Ayotzinapa, the Teachers, the Tlatlayos, the Acteal-Chenalhó's or other.common low level narco-guerrilla criminals without money, even before it is confirmed they are what they are...sera posible???
--The arellanuses would have just shot up the place...
Did they torture him and pull down his pants for all the world to see? Payback is a hitch.
ReplyDelete1:45 what kind of a sick mind wants to see another man's pants less bare naked hairy butt?
Delete--You really need help, even andrew "dice" clay has superated that curiosity, since the boys started shaving...
Word around the water cooler is mancha is negotiating their release with conditions CDS abandons Colima and Jalisco. IMO CDS will let the guzman clan be collateral damage and use them as martyrs to unite CDS again. I don't see how this benefits CJNG in anyway, on the contrary, this will be the beginning of the end for both.
ReplyDeleteThis is what I heard to that cjng is negotiating as we speak
DeleteI don't get it. Were they trying to make a bold statement by partying in CJNG's turf? Pretty stupid....and I need to laugh when I read about the "illegal deprivation" of these 6 scumbags. Call off the search and put the funds towards finding the missing students.
ReplyDeleteTo he reader complaining about the translation of timeline. suck it up or don't read it. How about giving Mica gratitude? People like you are why reporters don't stay and it is almost impossible to find reporters willing to give of their time, without pay, only to be subjected to whiners like you
ReplyDeleteTell 'em Chivis 👏
Deleteyou tell'em chivis!!! Saludos desde miguel aleman tamaulipas...im here on a daily basis and borderland beat is the only credible source i know...thanks and keep up the good work... 😉
DeleteTrue indeed..but unfortunately you will have ungrateful picky people like this everywhere you go, so let me be the first to say thanks for the timeline info, makes for good and informative reading..
DeleteThere's always one. What's the point of complaining about stuff people have given up their free time to do for nothing in return. If whining was an Olympic sport some BB readers would be on the podium every time.
DeleteI line myself in agreement with the above replies. I have learned SO much because of Borderland Beat and its wonderfully detailed, fearless reporting.
DeleteI'm sure many readers would be lost without it.
Thank you for all you do, Chivis & Mica.
No complaints about the translations on BB are ever warranted. Much gratitude is owed to all members of the BB staff for their excellent work.
DeleteBoo fucking hoo we don't get paid waa waa waa I thought you said goodbye like 4 years ago? How about you don't tell me what to do I don't tell you to get a life : )
DeleteLast but not least, Mica may be a new contributor, I thought she had just been volunteered and plagiarized by BB.
Delete--Welcome to BB Mica, and send fotos pá que se alborote el dog pound...
Anyone familiar with the names of the other 5 who were abducted and what their roles were within CdS? Think that some OXXO styrofoam coolers will show up in some strategic locations with bloody contents?
ReplyDeleteThe outcome will probably not end well for the guzmns but this mencho guy just put a huge target on him and his familys back. His days are numbered one way or the other regardless of what happens to the guzmans. BTW what a dumb name for your group, new generation jslisco cartel, sounds like a boy pop band. Lead singer is a mencho, another stupid name.
ReplyDeleteI feel bad for people from jalisco because the people who run that cartel aren't even from jalisco there from michoacan there getting pushed around and told what to do by outsiders
DeleteJust like how All mexico got pushed by cds
DeleteJust more material for the movie
ReplyDeleteDicen que uno de los que secuestraron era El Morronis. Dicen que es uno de los que esta en rodillas. Pero que estaba aciendo algo mas
ReplyDeleteMorronis said Chapo will be out by Thanksgiving. I think that dinner table is going to gave two less people.
DeleteBien que lo extranas!
DeleteP@RR@ND3RO.
Lmao!
DeleteI know that tunnel well and again, it takes a long time before you disappear into the middle of nowhere. If they took the tunnel through into the romantic zone and up the scenic roadway, it's still one roadway all the way to Tuito a nice old Mexican town. At that hour of the night, it would be easy from the air to spot vans on that road as there would be virtually no traffic. I like the comment about the American extraction. I wouldn't be surprised if government forces took these guys. The whole thing is strange...some in PV say Chapo runs PV, but others Mencho's cartel...Someone told me that actress Kate from the Sean Penn video is also taken
ReplyDeleteIt's just another day in Mexico where criminals kidnap people and nobody looks for them. What makes Chapos kids any better that all hell should let loose by the government to find them? Besides it was not till probably hours after this happened that the authorities knew that it was Chapos family that had gotten kidnapped!
Deletechivis, you misspelled "the" and I believe you should've used semicolons on your run on sentence! Boom!
ReplyDeleteand you failed to capitalize a proper noun....
DeleteCHIVISSSSSS i love you & i'm sorry that you have to deal with jerks like this..
DeleteBut i love BB & check on here multiple times a day.. & I love all BB staff.. Your just my favorite :)
Got em! hahahahahahah!
Delete@2:29 p.m this is not an english class or a grammar contest so GTFO!! who cares! Anyone with an i.q over 40 can understand her so that must let u out!
DeleteSHEEBA is not a proper noun, Queen of the Amazing.
Delete:)
DeleteGreat article, thanks you so much for writing!
ReplyDeleteAgreed, I enjoy reading this site, stop whinging and ruining it for people who are genuinely interested who can see past the occasional mis-translation.
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good work BB.
Liverpool UK
Things will look very good to el Mayo, los Carrillo, Beltranes, Caro and those from Jalisco. Soon Ivan will lose those landing strips by El Rosario and they will be under El Robertino and gente de los Beltranes
ReplyDeletedemasiada apologia para estos asesinos que se maten entre ellos , # son envenenadores de las generaciones de nuestros hijos asi que si los matan no se pierde nada narcos sobran asesinos igual
ReplyDeleteThese guys don't make anyone do drugs , why so much hate
ReplyDeleteExactly. But some people hate the violence and insecurity that they create on their areas of control. Then again government is in bed, so no one in power has ever been an altar boy. With that said, if people don't mess with innocents are a better criminal element than the lacras.
DeleteTo the reader who asked, Mica posted the photo of Kate and Alfredo. I have asked for the source. Something about the way Kate's hair is projected on her left side, that is suspect to me. If the photo comes down it is because of authenticity concerns. I did run it through search and an app that checks for photoshopping. It came up clean so far, but I will still check for source.
ReplyDeleteThe photo looks legit to me. Looks like it may be Alfredo who actually took it the way his shoulders are, possibly holding the phone out with both arms.
DeleteIt was published by a journalist on Facebook here:
https://m.facebook.com/denisemaerkeroficial/posts/550830225116134?substory_index=0
Although I haven't seen the source, where she got it from. But it doesn't look photoshopped. Looks legit.
... Seen The Photo On La Silla Rota Chivis ... La fotografía de la actriz mexicana Kate del Castillo sonriendo junto a un hijo de Joaquín ‘El Chapo Guzmán’ fue difundida por la periodista Denise Maerker ...
DeleteA lot of photos like this are taken with the "front" camera of a smart phone and thus they produce a "mirror image".
DeleteI always thought Alfredo, my concern was solely that the two were shopped together to create the foto.
DeleteAnimal Politico and La Silla Rota are reliable. thank you!
I betcha some of them are being skinned alive... crazy dining & partying around without look outs or bodyguards outside the building and parking lot, etc
ReplyDeleteCAF is back hitting chapo hard
ReplyDeleteArellano Felix the best and strongest cartel ever
DeleteIi Love It
DeleteOh I'm so lost now. First it's ivan. Then it's not. Then it's both of them. Now it's just Alfredo. And other cartel members. And why is Kate hanging around? I'm not ragging on (BB) it's all over that has me confused.
ReplyDeleteThis is how Mexican government works. The throw versions in so many directions to confuse the public, media y la prensa. Confusing everyone is how they work to not leave a paper trail to any complicit government officials.
DeleteWelcome to Mexico
Good job Mica!!
ReplyDeleteThe person who picked up the guy who left before the kidnappings is the traitor.
ReplyDeleteWill they be returned or will they disappear ? Or are they gonna be left with a manta
I think they killed him go check out Guzman daughter Twitter account . She seems heartbroken
ReplyDeleteMaybe because they just got kidnapped. No crazy war yet
Deletethese people dont have twitter accounts.. nothing but trolls
DeleteMy best Educated Guess is that they went north to Sayulita or San Pancho......Lots of mansions to hide in. I am still convinced it is government related...UMMMM.... Maybe that's why it is called Narco Politico.
ReplyDeleteOr.... the Marina is just right there, and the took off in one of those European style Speedboat yachts. the kind with a helicopter landing pad. Those things are a dime a dozen in Mexico. I had a friend in Cabo back in 91'. His favorite line was:"On the dirty boulevard, everybody owes and everybody pays." Well looks like it is time to pay.
ReplyDeleteIf the rival cartels are smart.. They'd use Chapo's sons to blackmail Chapo into taking the fall for everything THUS releasing Alfredo Beltran Leyva
ReplyDeleteOn his knees like a bitch!!
ReplyDeleteYup what would you do when they have a gun pointed on your face will you get on your knees when they told you???
DeleteHe's not dead yet. There hasn't been any foolish retaliations yet. Is it gonna be a full scale war between CDs and cjng or just chapos fraction, which won't last without support from the rest of CDs , I'm sure they are negotiating right now. Chapos good that. Maybe for the release of mencho Jr.
ReplyDeleteWhat does kidnapping Alfredo have to do with releasing mencho jr from prison how is Chapo going to negotiate explain to me lol
DeleteHi would just like to thank the authors and moderators of this site. The site makes for fascinating reading especially the last day or so.
ReplyDeleteFrom New Zealand
"De Sinaloa Beltran Leyva Porto yo la camiseta " Alfredito Beltran Guzman showing everyone who's who .
ReplyDeleteEso pasa cuando tiene a unos pendejos de escoltas , cuando trabaje para amado carrillo lo logre salvar de un atentado que por un pelo casi no la hace i al azul en tamaulipas esa vez les aguante plomo a los contras gracias al rey de reyes hoy estoy vivo
ReplyDelete.El Sangre Fria.
No sangre fria corridos, se me hace que eres puro, y al amanecer bachicha...
Deleteit looks like someone from los pinos just got themselves an insurance card just in case daddy starts spilling the beans a los tres letras.
ReplyDeleteMotive and resources
DeleteFunny thing is we will never know anything even if he is killed the gov may not release that info.We will never really know if it's a kidnap for ransom and whether or not it gets paid I don't think the Guzman's would make that public being involved in illegal activities.I don't think even a civilian would make that public so I really don't think we will ever know anything.It's not like you could interview Chapo and get the truth even if you could interview him.He could be returned but of course it would be under the radar and he would prefer everyone thinking him disappeared or he might be killed and we will never know although I'm sure like me we would all love to know.
ReplyDeleteMost Cartels in Mexico kidnapp people in public places no matter what time of day. That's no surprise. What I'm surprised the most about this Kidnapping is.. None of the kidnappers cover their faced or attempted to hide it.. and they let the women go.. why cover your face if you know the kidnappers.. it was Fake... to get the military and Government off their backs
ReplyDeleteThe foto of kate and alfredo was taken from one of the cell phones left at the cene and secured by police
ReplyDeleteReal photo of Kate and Alfredo but what's up with the fake route map??? No source for this map except for a theory by someone named mica with la Barbie photo.
DeleteFunny how nobody mentions MZ
ReplyDeleteSo she is connected. Why with all ur money
ReplyDelete