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Wednesday, October 25, 2017

Guanajuato: IED Drone with Remote Detonation seized in a cartel vehicle stop

Chivis Martinez republished with permission  by Small Wars Journal 

Note: I have written about my concern regarding the war weaponry amassed by CJNG, it was notable for many reason,s not the least of which no other cartel has these types of weapons.  And the progression is rapid, recently the discovery of the first ManPad and now this IED Drone.   December of 2015 and January of this year was the first time ISIS acquired/used an IED Drone, it appears that CJNG it keeping up with terrorists in that respect. Those unfamiliar with these weapons, go to youtube for videos.

Mexican Cartel Tactical Note #35:  Weaponized Drone/UAV/UAS Seized in Valtierrilla, Guanajuato with Remote Detonation IED (‘Papa Bomba’) Payload

Robert J. Bunker and John P. Sullivan

An improvised explosive drone (‘dron bomba’) was interdicted by Mexican Federal Police/Policía Federal (PF) in Guanajunto in Central Mexico at daybreak of Friday, 20 October 2017. Four men were arrested following a ‘high-risk’ vehicle stop on the Salamanca-Morelia highway.  The discovery of an improvised Unmanned Aerial System (UAS)—also known as an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV)—is the latest example of cartel weapons evolution. The IED is consistent with recent papas bombas (potato bombs) employment by the Cártel Jalisco Nueva Generación (CJNG).  Guanajunto is currently contested by several cartels including the CJNG, Los Zetas, and the Sinaloa cartel.

Who: Four individuals (Public Ministry IDs: Christian N., Angel N., Eduardo, N., and Marcos, N.) were arrested by Mexican Federal Police/Policía Federal (PF) in a stolen vehicle in what would be equivalent to a ‘felony’ or ‘high-risk’ stop in the United States.

What: In the back of the stolen vehicle inside the hatchback/rear cargo area, a 3DR Solo Quadcopter in an open case with an IED (‘Papa Bomba’) attached to it with a sling rope and a remote RF detonator was seized. An AK-47 variant assault rifle, 2 magazines, 13 7.62mm bullets, 3 smart phones, 1 texting phone, and 3 black caps (1 with Guanajuato on it) were also recovered.   

When: The stolen vehicle was pulled over at dawn by Federal Police on Friday 20 October 2017.

Where: Near the community of Valtierrilla, along the Salamanca-Moreila highway, in the state of Guanajuato which is about 304 km (189 miles) northwest of Mexico City via roadways.

Why: A weaponized drone/unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV)/unmanned aerial system (UAS) with a remotely detonated IED allows for a precision strike to take place against an intended target. This form of IED can be utilized against a point target for assassination purposes or against an area target—such as a grouping of individuals—for anti-personnel purposes. In addition to using such a drone/UAS for assassination or tactical action purposes, it also offers ‘narco terrorism’ and/or ‘narco insurgency’ potentials depending on the intent of its use.  

Analysis: This significant incident represents the crossing of a Mexican cartel technology and TTP (tactic, technique, and procedure) use firebreak with drone/UAV/UAS ‘weaponization’ now taking place. It suggests additional cause for heighted concern related to the evolving Mexican cartel security environment.  This weaponized drone seizure follows a human shield use incident taking place in Palmarito, Puebla in May 2017 linked to an armed criminal group and a recent national homicide report in September with 2,564 homicides taking place, putting this year on track to be the most deadly ever (21,200 so far) recorded in Mexico during its ongoing criminal insurgency]

The IED drone recovered is indicative of the fusion of two recent technology use trends taking place within cartel groups in Mexico. The first trend is the use of drones/UAS for primarily narcotics smuggling purposes. The cartels have been using drones since 2010, with possibly 150 UAS intrusions into the U.S. between 2012 and 2014 according to an unconfirmed Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) report. In addition to smuggling missions, the use of cartel drones for intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) has also been noted. The second trend is the use of ‘papas bombas’ (potato bombs) also known as Papabombas or Bombas de impacto IEDs by organized crime groups, with the Cártel de Jalisco Nueva Generación (CJNG) specifically identified as using them. These IEDs have been utilized by the Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC) with their use spreading to CJNG and possibly other groups in the states of Michoacán and Guanajuato in Central Mexico. These IEDs are composed of a sphere-like mass of explosives tightly taped together with the inclusion of nuts and nails for a shrapnel effect. The initial explosive mixture utilized in these devices was potassium chlorate, sulfur, and aluminum powder based. Their use or possession in Mexico has been identified in at least four cases since at least February 2017, two in La Piedad (with one detonation), one in Santiguito, and one near Cerrito de Ortiz, all in Michoacán.
IED (' Papa Bomba' ) Based on FARC Model
Source: Andrés Becerril, "Narcos copy FARC bombs; Cisen alert for explosives type 'pope.' "Excelsior. 21 July 2017, http://www.excelsior.com.mx/nacional/2017/07/21/1176937#imagen-1
Conceptually, commercial drone IED weaponization is by no means new, and in fact, has become institutionalized by the Islamic State (IS) in its recent operations in Iraq and Syria. Such use is well known and has been identified in IS tactical actions taking place as early as December 2015 in Tishrin, Syria and June 2016 in Khan Touman, Syria. Such actions and later ones most certainly have contributed in some way via ‘TTP diffusion’ to the creation of the weaponized cartel drone recovered. Specific concerns expressed over such “Mexican cartel UAV evolutionary potentials” have been noted since August 2014 with “weapons payload use for small arms and IED attack capabilities” foreseen as one eventuality. 
Islamic State IED Drone in Manbij, Syria
Source: @ SDF_Press_1. "Syrian Democratic Forces #SDF fell down #ISIL Military Drone." Twitter . 10 July 2016,
https://twitter.com/ SDF_Press_1 / media? lang = en & lang = en [Archived]
An image analysis of the IED drone recovered in Valtierrilla, Guanajuato suggests that it is a 3DR Solo Quadcopter. Such drones which first appeared in about 2015 can be presently purchased for less than $250.00 USD (less than 5,000 MXN) online. This drone has a flight time of about 20 minutes while carrying a payload of up to 420 g (0.926 pounds). It can achieve a top speed of 55 mph (89 km/h) with a range of about .5 miles (.8 km).
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Source: @On_Point_Skillz, "Maybe @AbraxasSpa might look interesting." Twitter. 20 October 2017, https://twitter.com/On_Point_Skillz/status/921521786768056321
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 3DR Solo Quadcopter with IED and Remote Detonation Switch (Side View)
Source: "Intercept dron pump!" WRITING. Am . 20 October 2017,
The above images of the recovered drone suggest that it is in operational condition. The IED (‘Papa Bomba’) payload is secured to the drone by means of a white rope slung underneath it. No evidence of metal fragmentation components can be seen on the surface of the IED, however, they may have been formed into an outer shell of the IED with additional binding and taping layers built up over them. Underneath the drone a remote control transmitter can be seen although the specific type is not identified—it may be either a 3DR AT10A or AT11A series unit. Two related rectangular components that are next to the drone are not identifiable—possibly they are the controller top piece and a 3DR battery module. Duct tape has been secured to the top of the drone to hold down an unidentified component that is not organic to it—this can be seen with the triangular-like protrusion on the top of the drone under the tape. Speculation exists that this may be the RF detonation receiver for the IED. Yellow electrical wires can also be seen to emanate from the IED. It is further speculated that these yellow wires would be connected to the top RF receiver unit by means of connecting them to RF receiver wires leading down to the underside of the drone. This connection would be made only during the pre-mission arming phase with the yellow wires wound around the white rope securing the IED to the drone. What is assumed to be a detonation control RF emitter unit with 4 toggle switches and a pullout radio antenna can also be seen in one of the images of the recovered IED drone.

Of further note is the imagery of three of the four men arrested in this incident. They all appear physically fit and manifest short military-like haircuts suggesting that they may have either military or law enforcement special operations backgrounds.

Guanajuato is presently plagued with the highest violence levels in the state’s history with the following cartels operating in it are “La Familia Michoacana” and/or “Caballeros Templarios”, “Cártel del Golfo”, “Zetas” and “Cártel Jalisco Nueva Generación (CJNG)”. Full scale narco warfare has essentially broken out in this state between competing cartel factions. The latter three cartels are known for actively recruiting cartel enforcers having military and paramilitary backgrounds with CJNG directly linked to recent ‘Papas Bombas’ IED-type use. 

If the IED drone recovered was ultimately intended for use within the state of Guanajuato, in Morelia, Michoacán, or somewhere else in the state of Michoacán is unknown. What is known is this weaponized drone cost less than $300.00 USD (5,700.00 MXN) to procure—with IED construction costs factored in—and represents a significant escalation in the criminal insurgencies taking place in Mexico. The drone can be flown against its intended target with precision and a high rate of speed and remotely detonated for assassination, anti-personnel, and/or narcoterrorism purposes. It represents another terrorist TTP firebreak crossed in Mexico this year and is indicative of the spiraling levels of narco violence now engulfing wide regions of that sovereign nation.     
       
Significance: Cártel de Jalisco Nueva Generación; CJNG links (Probable), Cartel Technology, Improvised Explosive Device (IED), Papas Bombas, Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures (TTPs), Weaponized Drone, Weaponized Unmanned Aerial System (UAS)

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82 comments:

  1. Lol is that a California compliant AK?

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    1. California compliant AK? A california compliant AK is a bb gun!😄

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  2. Awesome, informative report, Chivis! Good job!!

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    1. Thanks but this is all Doc Bunker and Sullivan. But Doc Bunker and I have good private communication about CJNG, He has been trying to draw interest in the group. It has always been my viewpoint this is a very different cartel. Scariest cartel. I don't think Bunker would mind if I shared what he wrote to me this AM "You were dead on about where that group is heading/the threat they are becoming."
      Trolls misconstrue my interest in CJNG. Trolls will be trolls, but i believe Mencho has no boundaries. and no fear. One can imagine him actually using his weaponry in ways never seen before. He is perceptive, conniving, and is the master of short term agreements and alliances. As well as which military and agents to put on the payroll. He must be stopped.

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    2. Mencho will go down soon

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    3. Chivis al cjng le va pasar lo mismo que al cds el govierno orita esta con el cjng, ya mero sale peña y vamos a ver el nuevo gobierno con quien hace trato,lo que se Mira es el desmadre que esta haciendo y matadero por todos lados tratando de ganar plazas para cuando salga el govierno que lo apoya no sea tan facil entrar otro cartel con el que apoye el nuevo govierno,,,,

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    4. Yeah, I now see that, Chivis. Those guys do a great analysis!

      It hasn't been reported that much, even here, that CJNG has been linked to a bunch of explosive devices found and/or terror acts in the GTO, Mich, Jalisco, Bajío area.

      As I posted a while ago, and this report confirms, it's mostly homemade explosive devices, as opposed to grenades.

      These mini-bombs have exploded in San Miguel de Allende probably related to extorsion, so even tourist sites in GTO are not out of bounds for CJNG.

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    5. Palestine was bombed back to the stone age and lost a lot of more terrain to the israelis after the Palestinians were found to "have smuggled bunches of ICBMs", cardboard rockets and other suspiciously terrorist miscellany smuggled through tunnels to and from egypt, I am sure it was all an operation of netanyahoo to advance his terrorist agenda of conquest of more palestinian lands.
      This shit of IEDS inexico looks like a provocation designed to be exhibit A of why intervention on the Banana Republic is imperative, the US had colombian, guatermalan, chilean, argentinian, brazilian mercanary paramilitary murderers ready to come to mexico and earn themselves some good living. It would be very easy to check for who sold the drones and to whom, unless they have bought themselves protection.

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    6. lmao every body is doing exactly what cds wants.
      every body is putin the heat on cjng while cds pulls the plugs... i havent seen any news on here about mencho callin cds sayin he wants their protection that marines are closin in on him and zetas dont fear him that he needs back up... menchos days are counted

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    7. @ 6:54
      You are correct, which is not written about, Mencho is the cartel gob is working with, and he has integral military etc on the payroll. I have written about that before. I gave the example of how the military was key in the kidnapping of Harry Devert. I gave it as an example. He has military at every border POE in every state he operates in. He pays BIG money much more than chapo or any other capo before. as for a change when new government comes in, I am not so sure. But here is my thinking, I have written that I am able to determine where cjng is operating, especially the "new" territory because they leave a footprint. that footprint is war weaponry. as I stated many times, a year ago May in Chih at a la linea safe house war weapons were found. that told me that CJNG must have made some sort of alliance with linea. I had a difficult time confirming it and a source actually go pissed at me for even suggesting that. but he was just trying to throw me off. because it was true.

      I ask myself why? why these types of weapons. It may be two fold, for enemies to project power resulting in fear, but also to conduct killings that are shocking, to shake up the gob into staying loyal to cjng when the new gob comes in. I don't want to say what exactly I am thinking, but one can imagine. Mexico with the help of the U.S. needs to focus on his capture. even if it is ugly. better now than later. easier now than later. he already has gained a tremendous amount of territory. I have written that I think he will really go into Tamps this coming year to gain complete control of NL and then across the frontera to the gulf.

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    8. Tu Fren...Small Wars is a project of think tankers. Bunker has been a friend of BB and visa versa for years. I have interviewed Bunker and written about the war weapons you can search using the search bar, here are two links
      http://www.borderlandbeat.com/search?q=progression+of+weaponry

      here is the la linea cache i spoke about when I linked CJNG to them

      http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2016/05/part-2-narco-warfare-progression-50-cal.html

      http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/12/the-changing-mexican-drug-war-brings_23.html

      every weapon we spoke about was soon in the hands of cjng

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    9. Only an ultimatum will deliver Mencho to US authorities. Like that of Chapo!
      The stop of all financial aid to Mexico from the United States.
      We are all aware of the greasing palms of government officials for enrichment. An incentive
      Mexican government officials rely on.
      Although, I do find Carlos Slims proposed structure for economic growth and development essential for Mexico.
      A necessity long over due to compete in the global market and world acceptance as a powerhouse.

      Question is?
      Will such a transition of education and economic reforms ever take place? Is the stereotype of being a third world country validate the reality?

      E42

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    10. The ultimatum is: "Copelas o Cuello"
      The US is the experts in Looong winded and Looong assed wars for profit, they may be taking their time in mexico, but sure as shit, this rigmarole of stupid is all their making, they even "lost two airplanes loaded with about 10 tons of cocaine in yucatan'peninsula's Operation Jaguar to have excuse to start the billion dollar giveaway to the american middle men to finance their little war on drugs, I hope I don't have.to remind you those airplanes were CIA PROPERTY at one time and another after another.

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    11. 9:42; You are exactly right! Jaja! Mexico has always shined the light away from where the real activity, or where the money is being made and cleaned!’

      9:09-E42; Mexico is the most advanced and fastest growing economy in all of Latin America. Yes Costa Rica, Chile and Argentina have a higher education rate per capita and supposedly a higher income per capita but only Brazil has a higher GDP than Mexico.
      International companies from USA, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Canada, UK and Germany.
      have continued to invest BILLIONS in Mexico and IBM, Coca-Cola, Motorola, Walmart, Inditex Group, BBVA Bancomer, Santander Group, Procter & Gamble, L'Oreal, etc. Also, 500 of the largest Latin American enterprises have a presence in Mexico.
      In 2016 Mexico was the 8th biggest car exporter with over $35 billion in auto exports and with automobiles, electronics, televisions, computers, mobile phones, LCDs, oil and oil products, silver, fruits, vegetables, coffee, and cotton the country exports over $359 billion - far from any other Latin American country other than Brazil.
      Mexico exported 4.3 BILLION in aerospace with 150 different companies manufacturing in Mexico and in Querétaro, Bombardier continues to grow its manufacturing! Boeing and Honeywell are also two big companies with manufacturing in Mexico.
      Let’s keep it real now! Right?
      Dwight

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    12. Thanks for the insight @1:14
      I was aware of gains in economic growth as development.
      But not the full scope.
      Glad to see positive results for its citizens.

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    13. Mencho is going to fall but not yet, until every cartel that has power turns into weak cells. What Mexico wants is to be the way narcos used to run and have them in a leash to pull when ever the Narcís wants to get out of hand.

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  3. This case alone is going to make or break Mexico’s judicial priorities. The USA has conferred w/ MX and it looks to be that they are going to charge them with terrorism. If they are charged and convicted of terrorism charges the cartels are in danger which will make this the turning point in the cartel wars. If convicted of terrorism that means that boimbing, grenades and attacks on military will be deemed an act of terrorism. Which in turn will allow the US military to border cross at will and engage in cartel fights. Finally, the cartels will hopefully be met with extreme force and prejudice and not one will be safe. For many years the US was allowed to fly drones over Mexican airspace but now w/ terror charges they will be armed to secure the borders. These cartel teens fucked up. Probably be assassinated in jail so they cannot be prosecuted. This case is a game changer.

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    1. In your dreams pedro, in your dreams. If anything they will go looking for Mencho and a new leader will take over a part of that cartel after if he gets caught. That big cartel will make 10 more cartels or more after it splits.. As long as there is demand, there will be supply and cartels supplying it..Real sp!t!

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    2. I agree. They will be killed in the prison for their stupidity. IMO

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    3. Hahahaha you watch way too many movies.

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    4. 3:13-I was thinking somewhat similar.When will the tipping point happen with a Mexican terrorism charge?

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    5. Mexican legislation moving criminal bills concerning terrorism by cartels. About time!!!!

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    6. Truly doubt that any such (terrorist charges) will transpire. Mexico is a narco state! This title clearly indicates the importance and impunity of government involvement.
      The demand for narcotics and its fortunes outweigh its constituents and ethical concerns!
      Moreover, the only issue I can see is more fuel to the fire for security concerns along the border.
      Homeland security and those political elements
      who’s militarized interests are priority.
      Mexico will always be a drug hub for narcotics!
      As long as there is demand worldwide expect no change .

      @3:13
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    7. If mexico doesn't start making that biiig tall atalaya and pay for it themselves, and buy their license on a timely basis, they mexicans can expect to be given that terrorist state status. Just wait and see, papers are printed and shit, just wait and see, and don't expect a cheap golf club will do this time, OK?

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    8. To E 40. Mexico is a COUNTRY not a STATE

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    9. For @07:30AM - terrorism is one of the charges for all 4 along w/ several other charges. This will be played big time now and since the initial charges the USA is stepping in since it was an attempted terrorist bombing across the borders. Info was the bomb was destined to fly over the border to kill and maim innocent people and blame rivals after the bloodbath. — Now if that ain’t fucking terrorism please explain!

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    10. 7:30-E40 I agree with your quote “The demand for narcotics and its fortunes outweigh its constituents and ethical concerns!”.

      However I have NO DOUBT that if what I think Chivas has fears of happening were to occur; there could very well be another US invasion into Mexico.

      America is gonna get its dope from somewhere but it’s not going to allow a narcostate to exist along its southern border; just like they didn’t allow Manuel Noriega to run a narco state in Panama; despite his having been an ally to the US for almost two decades!
      Let’s keep it real.
      Dwight

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    11. the thing about chivis, it has been my contention she has been wrong about CJNG from the moment she said "cjng is in Tijuana and has an alliance with caf to oust chapo." I did not believe it, but she was proven right. Like the Bunker guy said "You were dead on about where that group is heading/the threat they are becoming." Good instincts.

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    12. Well thank you 3:45. I would like to clarify alliances. They never had a true alliance with CAF and rarely do they with any group. Mencho is brilliant at negotiating "agreements" or limited alliances. Usually short term less than 2 years. an example is what happened in Michoacan. Mencho salivated at gaining most important territory in Michoacan. for two reasons, his history with the state and to control the meth massive meth market in the state. at the time Tuta had a lock on it. Mencho allied with Viagras, the one and only splinter CT group ever, all while Tuta thought they were loyal to him. Remember the video I posted a couple times where tuta is confronting carlos? also the fake autodefensas worked with them and Americano. Mencho sat back, funded the overtake, vehicles, weapons, etc. rumors was that RCQ was involved with the direction and funding. But that has not been supported by fact. The plan was to disrupt the autodefensa movement, disassemble CT, and move in the state. I believe Tuta was arrested so that CJNG could move in. Whatever...it happened fairly quickly. deed done, he no longer needed the temporary players and he controls all the important areas or 2/3 of the state.

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    13. 4:12 any legislation that moves in mexico has the sole purpose of sticking it to the people's ass, just like on other more advanced countries, nothing but BS flowing down hill.
      The "about time" you talking about are not there yet.

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    14. 10:07 - excellent analysis and work you have done. But we must remember that Mencho is nothing but the figure of the time who is directing an organization for higher powers. His attention and notoriety will like z-40, La Tuta, AFO, Chapo, Amado, Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo and Rafael Caro Quintero - he will be killed or captured and a lower profile but brilliant manager will be put in his place. I believe other hypothesis I've read that the same is being one with Isidro Flores who given his wealth and success as a warrior has managed to maintain a very low profile, and is able to travel around both Northern and Southern Sinaloa unimpeded by the authorities.

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    15. Like Mayo and Azul I believe he will have a long tenure as a major drug trafficker, and he has the potential to acquire more wealth than Chapo. However, the problem with the men at the top; they are not as sophisticated at washing their money and much of it is wasted, caught in transit, burried and forgotten about, or put into real estate assets under presta nombres that will be forgotten about and if killed, likely not be passed down to their heirs.
      Amado was actually very brilliant and he left his family with an exorbitant amount of wealth. I met two of his sons who arrived to meet me in a yellow range rover in 2009 and as they parked on the lot were we were discussing their acquisition of a parcel of real estate their body guards of six armored hummers stategically blocked traffic on both lanes of Avenue Sabalo Cerritos and we calmly visited for about 30 minutes about our watch collections after I complemented his Girard Perregaux. His brother on the other hand was very analytical and quiet and said very little. He ultimately agreed to purchase the parcel for my asking price but I was to put the escritura (deed) in my father's name but he told me he would request it be changed to another person within a year. That was eight years ago and I have not heard from him and I have heard he and his brother were assassinated but I do not know. My father new them better and he had several Italian cars shipped to Manzanillo (where my father had much "respect") and my father was paid to place the cars in a container and bury the cars. Two of the containers are currently sitting under a very well manicured soccer field. I do not know how many of these cars my father did for the brothers but I researched one of the first cars and it was a car that one had to be on a waiting list to purchase and there were only about 200 made by the manufacturer. My father told me that all of the cars he accepted at port and burried for the brothers were of this type where only people who had purchased many could even be on waiting list to purchase the rare vehicles that actually appreciate in value. My father still holds the escritura to the land and knows where the cars are but has not heard from the Carrillo family in many years. This is several million dollars that is sitting idle, or under the earth in a container and may not ever be sold unless they are accidentally found. Its a strange world and only the very big industrialist are able to clean their money efficiently and not incur the waste that the Menchos, Chapos, Carrillos etc of the world lose.
      By the way, I know many gringos will call what I share a lie but I only laugh at how they sit in their US apartments and suffer jealously and cheer for one cartel or the other and they really have no understanding of how the internal working of the narco business works. It is very sophisticated and managed by the most wealthy and "respected" people in Mexico and other countries including, and especially people and companies in the USA. Especially those in real estate and food distribution and other industries where cleaning money is easy by reporting large projects or large sales and gains and as long as the tax is paid the IRS does not investigate. Maybe if IRS and DEA begins to investigate people, companies, and partnerships that pay very very large tax they will find where the money ends up because if you are swimming in money non-stop you are smart enough to pay lot of taxes because it beats the alternative in being a suspect and investigated by US gobernment agencies.

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  4. Cjng don't play, el marro was going to get blown up! Dang..

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  5. Other cartels probably have the same weapons the only thing maybe they don’t want to resort to homemade bombs like terrorist and bring heat from the government thought that they where going to show last of the minute weapon technology I guess they have to resort to car bombs, IED, and drones to kill the people they can’t get. Drones are sold everywhere and to make bombs now and days doesn’t take much intelligence easy directions easy to get materials.

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    1. 4:55 Honey, the terroristas were given the means and the knowledge about IEDS by the mercenary contractors on the scene, it has helped to keep the wars for profit going at least 14 years after "The Mission was Accomplished" in three months by the US Dept of Defense, after Obamanos was elected, the iraqis kicked out the private mercenary.contractors, and they went to raise hell in syria, libia and Benghazi, tryng toale Obama real man and a real warring warrior president, but Obama refused to base his presidency on the lives of other people's children, never mind if "they knew what they signed for".
      --You could get your own IEDS if you contact your local terrorist gang, they will give them for free,
      Just go and see the local military zone commander.

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    2. here is a yt vid showing it is easy to aquire and launch
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0aZHh0zXEM

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  6. Haha the drone has a foam plate as a top cover, that are used for hotdogs

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    1. "O", I read your biography a while ago,
      I can't believe you are still running on all the greasing you got way back when, you old so and so...

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  7. 3:13 - U.S. incursion wont make a difference in the flow of Narcotics to the U.S. though. Afghanistan went from providing roughly 5% of the worlds heroin supply pre U.S. invasion to roughly 90% after the invasion. Same thing happened during the Vietnam war.. The CIA will pick the cartel they want funneling drugs into the country, the rest will be done away with. On the bright side, that might bring "some" stability to Mexico and the insane amount of violence taking place there.

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    1. 8:21 is the BOMB, please go back and read his comment 10 more times everybody, and if you have any more questions, ask them.

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    2. 8:21 - Thats right on!
      Let’s keep it real!
      Dwight

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    3. since chapo began making white heroin mexico has taken over the heroin market in the u.s. afganistan still provides a portion of the market but mexico and Colombia has the majority of the market.

      "Most of the heroin available in the United States comes from Mexico and Colombia," the DEA noted in its 2016 National Drug Threat Assessment.

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  8. Cjng with all that weapons cant take control of no plaza so they are really useless when the anemy is using better tactics just look at Vietnam where USA use all kinds of heavy equipment and helicopter and bomb with air strikes and could not take over

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    1. What world you you live in? Cjng has 3expanded drastically in the past 3 years, n
      No cartel controls 100% of the 0plazas they claim, just look at Cds cartel DE Sinaloa but only controls half of sinaloa while beltran3s got the other half.

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    2. Or how cjng claims Jalisco but CDS has the same pull and financial power or more.

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    3. All CJNG wants is the rutas my friend

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  9. 4:32 don't get you panties wet hyna marro is ready for war bring everything you got osicones aqui en Guanajuato we are more action homie keep running your mouth we all know you chutarros de Micha are some soft ass dudes

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    1. Funny but i wouldn't be surprised if those guys were from Michoacan. Michoacan has been all over guanajuato running sh!t even before la familia Michoacan was there. But ok..

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    2. 8:43 Pinchis lagartijas rasteras panzas verdes de Guanajuato
      por eso train la panza verde del estiercolero, por arrastradas.

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    3. 8:43 relax gto just cuz a vídeo came out saying Guanajuato ya se te subió los humos 😂 todos esos van a mamar

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    4. Video, el Bertie Boy moreira fighting with former presidente FECAL, accuses him of being a pinchi borracho and suggests FECAL needs to stop tweeting early in the morning among other things.

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  10. Funny thing is the people detained were cartel members but to which cartel they belong wasn't released to the public. For the author to assume it was CJNG is inappropriate because any cartel could of easily been behind this .Just look at all the explosives Cartel de Juarez has been known to have used on police . CJNG hasn't used anything that the other cartels haven't already used. Cartel de Juarez is arguably more of a pioneer in this than any other cartel ,,, remember what happened after the capture of el 35

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  11. Really bad for people that like the rc hobby. Fucking assholes

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  12. MW-That's pretty scary in irresponsible hands.

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  13. Trust me on this one: IT'S NOT A GAME CHANGER.

    Not in the least.

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  14. The only useful thing you can do with these drones is locate your adversary by camera. This could theroretically be used successfully by the cartels in a well planned assault.

    However, most cartel fighting is totally improvised and the idea of one of these bozos getting the drone out AND starting it up AND know how to operate it AND rely usefull information for someone to act on is laughable.

    A team made out of ex-military could handle it but I doubt they wanna pussy around with a fucking toy.

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    1. these are super easy to use. and training is quick.

      I think the thought of you thinking it is laughable is laughable.

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    2. Chivis JAGL ive used in the past rc helicopters used with fuel amd electric motors.. When drones showed up i gave up on the hobby i know technology changes back the we only used a gyro for the tail ..the came the 3 axis gyros for tail...left-right and back amd forth.. Still were hard to fly i flownfor years. It maybe tru . asi havenot used a drone maybe itgot easier to fly them..but i still dont beleive training is quick..
      As for mencho.. The mexican goverment never forgets and one day theyll get even for the sdiers he killed on the helicopter that got shot down.. IF el mayo zambada makes it till next president he will not be found..mencho will soon be killed or arrested ive said it before mencho got power but not much as you all think..and hiztory wi repeat like when zetas were strong and now they are nothing but the name.. Only remains.. JAGL

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    3. 4:34; My insight and intel is 100% aligned with what you said and described! I have crazy respect for Chivis but I believe CJNG has never touched a weapon that CDS doesn’t already have an arsenol of. CDS could take down a chopper, plane, or even US Voast Guard boat but they don’t - why? Because it’s bad, bad business! That’s why Ivan got so much flack for his attack in Culiacan and why MZ is running the show. El Debate and Noroeste have printed pages and pages to deflect that from CDS and that’s because they do t operate that way - and when they attack it’s generally more stealthily done if at all possible.
      Just keepin it real.
      Dwight

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    4. These ppl have look outs and visuals on both sides. It is not hard at all.

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    5. 4:34 after "la mencha" brung down the policia judicial federal helicopters, their boss enrique francisco galindo ceballos took revenge in Tanhuato and was quietly resigned from his position, even the mexican government has been advised that Tanhuato is a crime of state, and La Mencha can not be prosecuted for crimes or failures of state just because some loud mouths accuse him based on gossip.

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    6. Chivis I live in a major Eastern USA city downtown in a highrise. Many ppl manipulate w/ drones from bldg to bldg from well above 50 stories. I have seen drones fly and land across bldgs onto patios (God only knows with what) but they are very easy to use and remote connection apps via I-phones plus w/ screen makes it easy as heck to maneuver. Al Qaeda and ISIS have used these drones 100’s of times to attack troops and drop bombs on large groups of people. RC drones are easy to use, my 7 year old niece is an expert imagine terrorists and cartel members. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to operate one.

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    7. I agree which is what I stated.

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  15. Readers: I recall seeing where CJNG is trained in Colombia and This post is correct the cjng members arrested sure looked more military than street narcos. can anyone add to the colombia training?

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    1. Hey, Chivis,

      "La justicia en EEUU afirma que el CJNG también tiene vínculos con otras organizaciones criminales en Estados Unidos, América Latina, África, Europa y Asia. Los informes también han dado a conocer que los líderes del CJNG han recibido entrenamiento de la guerrilla de las Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC)."

      http://www.sinembargo.mx/19-03-2017/3176320

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    2. Colombia, in mexico, since before EPN's election through new old fashioned HACKING, (according t colombia's "Hacker Fiscalia"), giniral naranjas was not going to refuse to help alvaro uribe velez's good friend, epn, both climbed to power on the sholders of giants, uribe on pablo escobar's and epn on the beltranuses, and los zetas and la Chapa, others climbed to money and crime family on the sholders of fat Tony Salerno Paul Castellano and John Gotti, then the Red Mafiya of Niu Jeysey and Niu Yoarghk. --Hey, don't hate, just bisness, a man's gatta do whatta man's gatta do, OK?

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    3. Mexico provides the US market with most of its heroin, both "china white" developed by Sinaloa and black-brown which is trafficked to certain states.

      interesting to see the evolution , chapo saw where legalization was headed with weed and began developing a pure white at a much lower cost than asia. and with fairable logistics

      I have watched the evolution in DEA threat reports for past 15 years. In 2012 or so, the ratio was about split between Colombia and Mexico but eventually that gave way to Mexico.

      There is much data on line from reputable sources..

      On its webpage, the Office of National Drug Control Policy states, "Opium poppy cultivation in Mexico remains high, and Mexico continues as the primary supplier of heroin to the United States." In eastern U.S. colombia still dominated in 2016 reports, but mexico was pushing through with the cheap brown heroin in eastern markets

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    4. should be noted that Afghanistan is still the chief provider of heroin in the world market, the remarks about United states were just that, the US Solely

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    5. Mexico is just to blame but in reality most heroin comes from Afghanistan.

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  16. Have these things ever been used for a successful, notable attack? Those guys definitely have military grade stuff, but I'm not terribly impressed with a drone attached to a sparkler bomb.

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  17. Update: Christian Eduardo González Soto, former state police, is one of the four detained. He was arrested, along with five others, in July for ties to organized crime and the murder of two cops in June. He was later released.

    http://www.sinembargo.mx/26-10-2017/3337830

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    1. Thank you! I also found sinebargo about training from 2015. I sent to doc bunker and will prob have the one you sent from march translated

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  18. 3 bodies found in abandoned taxi this a.m., on the border with GTO and Michoacán, a little north of Maravatío. Signs of torture. Three are thought to be from Cuidad Hidalgo:

    https://www.cbtelevision.com.mx/localizan-tres-encajuelados-taxi-ciudad-hidalgo/

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    1. It's been like that for a gew months now that cjng is tak8ng control of those towns. They pick them up, kill them and drop them in Michoacan. My family is from Michoacan in the border to Guanajuato.. No news reports though...

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  19. What gets to me is that all these cartel scum kill cops and military and get released. Why don’t the non corrupt cops and military just uprise and take over??

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    1. Cause:
      - the corrupt outnumber the honest
      - the corrupt make a LOT more mola
      - the corrupt will come knock on the door at home late at night when wife and kids are home
      - the corrupt got a buch of sicarios working for them
      - the higher you get the worse the corruption

      Enough reasons?

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    2. Not it’s citizens!

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  20. One must remember that when Pablo Escobar stormed the justice building and massacred those inside and bombed his country’s Colombia jetliner it was the beginning of the end. Once the ante was upped to terrorist charges the downfall of the Medellin cartel began. It may have took 4 years after the bombing and a 16 month intensive manhunt but once the terror charges were introduced he was hunted and his gang members were hunted down like there was no tomorrow. This idiotic maneuver by these incompetent cartel members with the IED now forces a change in strategy. Sure there is the supply and demand theory but a new avenue has opened up in the war on drugs and now it is going to be a war on terror if these dolts are convicted of terrorism. The US is pressuring Mexico and forcing them to act on it and act on it as terrorism. Apparently there is a request for several attack and survellance helicopters in the US Congress along with a request for several hundred heavy armored personnel vehicles that has been put on hold until the Mexican government makes their decision. One hand washed the other but we all know the left bhand does not know what the right hand is doing. I think that by severely delaying Mexico’s armament and military purchase requests to theUS will make them re-think which direction they will go. Remember, go back and actually read the history and facts of the ’downfall’ of Escobar - it was when terrorism charges were brought against him that heated up the hunt and better cooperation between the US and Colombia led to his death. Sure, other gangs were paid to help and yes they were criminals too but the actual riddance and killing of Escobar would alleviate most of the heat.

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    1. They went after pablo escobar with a vengeance.

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  21. It was a dangerous time and Escobar srtared assassinating innocents at will and the majority of the people then turned against him for his heinous acts of pure terrorism and actually praised his death. But you cut the head of one snake another emerges and with that help the USA and other criminal gangs were in on the hunt for Escobar no questions asked just a ton of cash at the end. There is always favoritism amongst law enforcement and gangs world wide. One gets too wild the hand reaches out for help in containment and in return they turn a blind eye for a specific amount of time. Other criminals helping contain renegades in return for favors has been going on since the beginning of time and will continue to do so. The elite corrupters are the friends of everyone until they actually cross the line— — — — — — -

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  22. Drones are the most sultry subject circumventing the tech world nowadays and everybody is attempting to get their hands on best rc drones.

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