Subject Matter: Killing of Rogelio Martinez
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UPDATED 05:43 AM 11/21/17
Agent Rogelio Martinez and his colleague patrolled in the area of Van Horn station, when they were attacked, another agent was wounded.
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| Agent Rogelio Martinez, 36 years old died after the attack |
"An agent of the Border Patrol of the United States died resulting from wound suffered on patrol. The incident took place on the Big Bend sector, near Interstate 10 and Van Horn, Southwest, Texas, where his colleague was wounded", said the spokesman of the Federal Corporation, Douglas T Mosier.
He explained that the agent Rogelio Martinez, 36 years old, and his colleague, patrolled close to the interstate highway 10, in the area of Van Horn station.
The colleague of agent Martinez was wounded and needed medical attention, and was transferred to a local hospital.
Agents of the Border Patrol from the Big Bend sector and the Department of the Sheriff of the County of Culberson were securing the crime scene. Border Patrol Special Operations Group and air and maritime CBP operations agents are looking for suspects or potential witnesses in the area.
Staff of the Culberson County Sheriffs Office, the FBI, the Office of the Inspector General and the Office of Professional Responsibility of the CBP are investigating the facts.
The event provoked the reaction of the President of the United States, Donald Trump, who condemned the deaths of the serviceman in his twitter account.
"A border patrol agent killed on the Southern border, another seriously wounded. We will seek and bring those responsible to justice. We will build the wall", said Trump in reference to his electoral promise to construct a barrier on the border with Mexico.
Senator Ted Cruz, condemned the attack that was perpetrated against the two Federal Agents. " Our condolences and prayers go out to the family and friends of Border Patrol agent Rogelio Martinez, who was killed in the line of duty. We are also praying for the full recovery of his colleague, who was also attacked."
"This is a clear reminder of the constant threat posed for the safety of our communities and policymakers who defend them. We are grateful for the courage and sacrifice of our officers who have dedicated their lives to keep us safe: I remain fully committed to working with the Border Patrol to provide them with all the resources they need to safeguard our nation".
Last October 25th, another Border Patrol agent was attacked with firearms while travelling along Interstate highway 10 at the height of Eastlake Street in El Paso. It was established that his attackers followed him since he left home at 6am in the morning.
San Antonio news is reporting the following
Hours after Governor Greg Abbott offered a $20,000 reward for information on an attack that left one border patrol agent dead and another injured, sources said there may not have been an attack at all.
Rogelio Martinez, 36 was killed while on patrol in West Texas Sunday, U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials said. Martinez and his partner were responding to a call near Van Horn Station, about 120 miles east of El Paso.
It is not clear how Martinez died, though officials have said it was not in a shooting. His partner was in serious condition Sunday.
An anonymous source told the Associated Press that Martinez and his partner were found at the bottom of a 14 foot culvert and that Martinez may have fallen. A union official earlier said that the agent appeared to have been struck in the head with a rock or rocks, according to a report from the Associated Press.
Chris Cabrera, a spokesman for the National Border Patrol Council said Monday that the U.S. CBP agents who responded to the scene Sunday described it as "grisly" and said the dead agent and his partner had extensive injuries.
However a border patrol official says so called reports of an attack were speculation as of Monday evening according to a report by the Associated Press.
US CBP official Rush Carter says all the agency can confirm is that two agents were injured and that a joint investigation with the FBI will hopefully determine how that may have happened.
Dallas News also adds:
Saturday was a moonless night and the agents were in difficult terrain.
The injuries to Martinez, after talking to his doctors, were consistent with a fall. Very consistent with a fall the Sheriff said. "Why was the other guy hurt? thats the unknown, what happened to him.
Despite a dramatic drop in border crossings under the Trump administration, assaults against officers have risen, according to data maintained by the border agency: 720 in the recently completed fiscal year, the highest number in at least five years.
But even with the increase in violence against officers, experts who study the region said fatal attacks are far outside the norm. An official list contains 38 deaths in the line of duty from 2003 to the present, not counting Martinez. The Border Patrol has about 20,000 agents.
"It's super rare for agents to be attacked and killed," said Jeremy Slack, a migration expert and professor at the University of Texas at El Paso.
Culberson County is part of Customs and Border Protection's vast Big Bend Sector, covering 135,000 square miles in Texas and Oklahoma and 510 miles of river border.
Those long pregnant pauses where nothing happens. And then 💥. How different would these outcomes be if we could just make contact first. Instead of just waiting around doing nothing more than observing all the damn time. Pencil pushers within the government won’t lose any sleep over this 1. And the cynicism 4 those on the ground will only grow. - Sol Prendido
ReplyDeleteYour writing skills seem to be improving.
DeleteWhich is great. No sarcasm but truth.
You are correct as to those who will not lose any sleep over this tragedy.
I have many family members in law enforcement and military.
E42
It’s good 2 see you back E42. We may all have our differences. But I actually agree on many things you say. - Sol Prendido
Deleteyou know...Newton - Azrak were murdered by Mexican drug smugglers, transported to a new venue and left to decompose...just saying
DeleteJus saying what?
DeleteListened to this on NPR this morning on way to work. However, no indication of how this occurred. Details are not being released.
ReplyDeleteAnyone know by what means the individual was killed?
Perfect storm for those political elements that which to build their pedestal of hate.
DeleteWhere a dire situation is making living harder for many good people.
Yep chivis . Makes you wonder how things happened . I remember hearing my cousin lost his ear in a fight with a old class mate . One time I pulled the guy off while he was kicking my cousin in the head . That was 70's in the 80's pulled my cousing off kicking him in the head .I think it started about 1976. So I had a picture in my minds eye of him kicking my cousins ear of .Then I could picture him standing on my cousin with his boot cutting his ear off with a knife . a dozen different things went through my mind . Then after a couple years I got the real story . My cousin was passing through a small town and seen him fighting with several guys . My cousin stopped to help him and one of them bit his ear off .
DeleteSo until the truth comes out it will all be wild speculation . Details will be withheld because the facts need to come from anybody who talks , not from a spreading story .
Rocks to the head. Simple. Handy. Parsimony. On land where BP rarely engages. My friend was shot and killed last Monday. Nobody cares about him.
Delete7:43 You could have used at least 5 more lines about your friend and his murder or killing...
Delete--but you chose to post pinchis cacayacas, pendejo.
I am sure your buddy would love to read this comment, make it a poster and put it on his grave or burn it with him.
Remember that this border patrol agent was a Mexican American himself. These are the kinds of people Trump himself want's out of the country and yet guys like him make up probably 80 percent of the border patrol force if not more!
ReplyDeleteIt is ironic, stupid and sad to have half the country-Trump-supporters or voter that only look at the negative aspects of inmigration and or Hispanics in general yet here is proof that one of these people just gave his life for this country!
You are correct as to the thousands of Mexican Americans who contribute to this country in one way or another.
DeleteA political issue with racial intentions for some. And yet not racial for others. Others; a security stance from what’s transpiring in other countries. Nevertheless, difficult political views with no real winners.
Condolences to those families.
Moreover, respects to those serving our country who are caught in the middle of this political dilemma.
E43
7:26 I have to call bullshit . Trump has never expressed anything about wanting Mexican Americans out of the country. I just really cant believe how things get twisted . Turning this shit into a political thing . A American was killed because foreigners crossed the border illegally and killed him . Maybe they weren't foreigners but he was killed over his job protecting the border . That part is clear . I know many americans of Mexican decent that voted for trump . It has never been a anti Hispanic . To this day its been about CRIME . We have enough criminals in the USA without the ones from mexico sneaking across to be here also . We don't need to be a haven for criminals . The good people need to come across above board.
DeleteTrump wants mexican/Americans out of the country? I know illegals but never heard the other.
DeleteSo you’re saying trump is trying to get rid of Americans with Mexican blood. Lol, man you watch to much CNn. You can’t ban someone from their own country. Fool, Keep hating Trump that’s why he will win 2020 as well. Due to people like you crying this whole time and not growing up and moving on to the next election
DeleteNo one voted for trump because of the Mexicans you clown. It’s because Hillary Clinton was a terrible choice to put up. No one likes her, and second no one wants more refugees. Which is what every democrat wanted to do. Stop talking nonsense
DeleteE43 ... ????
DeleteHe was using words like Anchor Babies. And wanting 2 deport them as well. It sounds farcical but he really did say it. Oh and canadiana 1 gives birth 2 the other. It’s called inspiration. - Sol Prendido
Deletethe official report now is that he was murdered and his partner injured by a group of illegal and undocumented immigrants (they apparently used rocks to bash in their skulls) this only going to make things much harsher for illegals already here and new ones attempting to cross who are apprehended. the new violence on the border makes things really bad now for those caught.
ReplyDeleteofficial by who? can you send a link?
DeleteOne can only speculate that they were migrants,sounds more like mules.either way you're correct on how it will be for other border jumpers from here on out.they need to build that wall for sure to avoid Americans being killed in the line of duty.
DeleteI too would like to see this official report. The only news and and limited press release’s are kind of pointing to an ambush of some sort after the 1st agent was following a group of alleged illegals. The only items I notice are that the wounds are consistent to be bludgeoned with rocks. No mention has been released as to the contents of the 1st agents radio call for help or the 2nd agent who was also ambushed. The probability is yes, it could have been rocks and evidence has been recovered but no mention has been made to that either. There cannot be some sort of official report released as this is an ongoing investigation and the FBI nor the DoJ has released any details concerning this investigation. I question too why the agents did not use their weapons and if the agent was following a group as alleged why wasn’t his firearm at the ready. Also there is a jump to conclusions that this was done by illegals, undocumented aliens. How is this known? There was no mention of any detainees. Do not get me wrong as I feel for the Border agent and his family but the immediate rush to judgment is not a fair process but automatically stating they were illegals without proof. This is like the US Marine that was bound and executed overseas by fellow special force comrades and a rush to judgment was made until they found out the truth that his own comrades murdered him because he found out about their theft of funds and wanted no part of it. Just saying, there could be more to all this then what the fake media is writing about. It could have been done by his fellow officers (just saying, so don’t castigate me I am putting out there something to think about). Believe me, I want that wall and our borders secure but in this instance something really does not feel right. My questions concern - 1) why no firearms were used by the agent, 2) how do they know for a fact it was illegals especially when there is no one detained, 3) what exactly was the 1st agents transmission for help and what did he say as those transmissions are documented and recorded, 4) why didn’t the 2nd border agent have his firearm at the ready and why didn’t he use it. These are but some questions I have. This situation also causes alarm because it was noted that of the 66,000 plus arrests, where the agent was murdered was less then 1% of those. Something is not right with this picture. Could we have rogue agents working that route or is it a pipeline for drugs and illegals crossing? Another possibility is that however isolated this could have been a deal gone bad or an instigated assault for border awareness. Whatever the reasons, I hope others do not jump to conclusions with their out of control conspiracy theories until more information is released. As you may know, this investigation is far from over so stop convicting innocent people before the real truth and facts come out. Suffice to say yes, we ultimately want illegals or cartel drug traffickers to be responsible but until that can and is proven there are too many other alternatives to what happened and the feds right now are tight lipped about this situation. R.I.P. Rogelio Martinez.
Delete10:33 Wow! Interesting as I am one who definitely rushed to judgment but now there is a pause for concern. I can add another question —— if the border agent was following a group what is the protocol before this happens in case of instances like this ——???? Do they just go and follow them without radioing in for assistance or to inform their superiors of their actions —— after he was injured he radioed for assistance so why the delay for requesting assistance ——?!??!?!?!? I agree w/ you now simply by what you mention and Chivis about the firearms issue too.
Deletejust heard on the news a joint press conference is being arranged by the AG’s office, FBI & Customs to release some details of what they know but so far they have refused to acknowledge what sort of “activity” was being investigated by the border patrol officers and the initial reward being offered by the state of Texas is $20,000 and is expected to increase after the details are released at the press conference.
DeleteI would like to add that if the events leading up to the agents murder was at night, these agents are equipped with nightvision equipment. They would have noticed movement and people yet no shots were fired. There are too many unanswered questions especially now the 2nd officer has lost all recall and memory of the incident. I find this to be a twisted coincidence but I am sure this will unravel quickly and the feds will release more details after more scrutiny. I hope for the agents’ sake he is telling the truth about what he is “able” to recall. Time will tell so will a polygraph especially if he declines to take one.
DeleteI seem to remember agents in recent years being charged with murder for shooting people that were pelting them with rocks . No matter your take on this issue this will certainly turn the tables . More deadly force will be used against rock throwers
Delete10:33 Rogue Agents or Double Agents are common within CBP and most Fed agencies. Some even mimick the narco culture when offduty, they embrace the narco corridos, at least the ones ive known from the Rio Grande Valley sectors.
DeleteI heard from a friend A couple of years back, some dudes closed down a club and brought famous artists to party it out in Mcallen, they were all CBP employees, forgot the clubs name he mentioned. But yeah im not hating but damn bringing La leyenda and saul el jaguar and some other famous bands is over 100k, plus renting the club and all alcohol you can drink...excessive lavish life, im even thinking about joining cbp now.
When you go around collecting your kickbacks you don't actually make reporting or gun toting a part of it.
Delete--Remember the guy that went to drain the swamp?
Instead he filled it up with bigger crocodiles and now is up to his ass in alligators...
The protocol is "Observe and Report" always, then wait for help or reinforcements, nobody is to try to be a hero, but some people really believe they are too smart.
@7:25 If your friends payed over 100K for La Leyenda then your friends got fucked. Small towns that satellite Houston charge no more than 4 grand for rental with alcohol included. And I’m talking over 2500 capacity. All those bands combined still wouldn’t reach that 100K price tag either. They must’ve been washing money 2 justify that price you mentioned. -Sol Prendido
DeleteBP union vicepresident De La Cola, expressed his thirst for revenge, he is a promoter of hate and a presidential puppet.
Delete7:25 I remember my homegirl was rsvp through facebook about that event. She attended and said most of sercas music groups were there.
DeleteSol Prendido, LL charges 20k for a wedding alone, Saul el Jaguar might be around 30k or more. That club would sell you a 8 pack bucket of beer for 30 bucks, it was expensive af. Excessive pricing for Mcallen.
8 beers for 30 dollars is actually pretty cheap.
DeleteMost clubs or bailes tend 2 overcharge customers on alcohol sales. Half the time it’s all diluted though Make friends with the bouncers or security. Smart guys hide their contraband in their cowboy hats. And women do it in their oversized purses if not their body. Friendships at these places go a long way when favors are needed. Even if they are superficial they open the doors 4 future needs. - Sol Prendido
DeleteAs a U.S.A. citizen, and attaining an FM 3 in the past. Mexican immigration does an excellent job in keeping undocumented citizens of the United States out of the Mexican work force. That being said, I wonder how the reaction would be if the tables were turned? As in if it was an American crossed the Mexican border illegally, then threw rocks at an official resulting in his/ her death.
ReplyDelete8:47 Come on now . That's apples and oranges . Not even 2 related issues . You are obviously not that familiar with the border area . Its always been , go to mexico and the police will rob you, possibly beat you and possibly kill you as a legal tourist . A Mexican sneaks across the border and he gets picked up . Fed and possibly housed in a warm/cool , depending on whats needed and dropped off at the bridge to give it another try . But he can fall victim to the police on the other side . There has never been any similarities of human rights respect or treatment .
DeleteRocks, not bullets. according to some reports attributed to to the National Border Patrol Council. However, A check with the website says that the details were being withheld. So I could not get a confirmation. I could not find a press release from the agency. All that said, it would be feasible because the two BPA were checking on undocumented migrant activity where it happened. and they were def not killed by gunfire. One wonders how it was that the agents could not use their weapons.
ReplyDeleteWondering your take on the el chapo series chivis? Hope you're well.
DeleteThe agents were likely first trying to communicate and were trying to show understanding at something they don't understand. In all due respect, one cannot put themselves in another's shoes without having experienced what the other went through. And if one has experienced what another went through, one cannot have the same experience as every person is unique in their own way. One can only see eye to eye on some never all things.
DeleteThe reason they didn't fire their weapons maybe because the law only allows for reasonable force which is necessary for the threat faced. Someone throwing a rock could have been deemed by Martinez at the time as non lethal and so he may not have discharged his weapon, then been blindsided by someone else hiding in the scrub where the incident took place. Of course this is speculation but the negative press this year on so called "unjustified killings by Police with overwhelming force that was not required" may have affected his judgement and that of his colleague who was also injured
DeleteRetired DEA Task Force Agent here. One of the reasons why you see hesitancy by the officers is because of incidents like BP Agent Lonnie Swartz who was prosecuted for 2nd degree murder for shooting Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez for throwing rocks.
DeleteAlso a use of force requirement stating Agents should not fire at people throwing projectiles, unless they fear death or serious injury. Still, the new policy states, agents should avoid "placing themselves in positions where they have no alternative to using deadly force." That means they should seek cover or put greater distance between them and the aggressors.
When you’re in the field in poor visibility looking for something you only have minimal information about, it stacks the odds against the agents. That momentary hesitation because you’re worrying about violating the use of force policy or needlessly injuring or killing someone stacks the deck against you in a hurry!
They were investigating activity of unknown source.They both have blunt force injuries to the head.So far not very much information comming from official channels. Much of what is being reported is speculation and plain personal uninformed opinion. Now since we are plainly expressing our opinions on the subject, lets recall what happen in Douglas Arizona a few years back, when a border patrol agent was killed by one of their own. From the begining there was accusationz focused on illigal entrants,just as they are doing now, and in the end the truth came out. Why can't we wait for the investigation to clear this out before we make unfounded accusations and blame illigal entrants.
DeleteI have to add Otis that as mentioned inanother comment that these officers are equipped with night vision and use the equipment at night so they would have see any potential threat. The use of heavy duty flashlights is not the norm especially near the border making anyone a target. I agree with 10:33 that there is much we do not know and that is why the information is limited at this time. The feds are trying to eliminate all possible angles but now with the other agent suddenly losing all memory of the situation causes grave concern that new possibilities and therories have emerged and the feds want to debunk them if they can to save face for the orgaization and the officers. Also mentioned this incident, no matter how isolated could have been instigated for border awareness and the timing after a threat to the Trump administration was issued by a former ICE agent that the people can “expect a mass exodus from ICE, Border Patrol if DHS imposes Obama Era policies.” The man is David Ward and represents the ICE union. They want all Obama holdouts removed ASAP.
DeleteOn a moonless night, depending on what generation of NVG they were using, it would not give you great vision over long distances, and for sure takes away any peripheral vision you have, if he had the goggles on and was looking into the distance he may not have noticed anything dark right under his feet. This could explain why he fell down the culvert.
DeleteNVG are not the be all and end all and rely on just enhancing any natural light, unless they have built in IR illuminators and if they do, they will not be good at distance.
Anyway im sure the real version of events will come to light, if youll excuse the pun, eventually.
Did he fall into a culvert? That is still speculation. Additionally the 2nd officer would have noticed as they were NOT side by side. Apparently there was distance between the 2. The memory loss adds to the mystery and time will tell but there is much more to this the feds are not informing us about. My theory is that they possibly may have something on the agent and really are trying to make sure any claims or truthful about the events of the “murder”. Why has it been called a murder if the agent supposedly fell into a culvert and why didn’t the other officer hear or see anything in pursuit? Too many unanswered questions and too much speculation at this time. It is the old adage that a broken clock is right twice a day. We have to wait for more definitive details that is why this is so hush hush and secretive at this time. It usually does not take this long to point out the direction the feds are following after a high profile incident like this. This is too blatant, I do not even think for one second a coyote or a drug cartel would want the heat of this type of investigation with the US. This could also be a lone wolf to stir the fires. IMO
DeleteOtis in the US officer can not only draw weapons if entering a precarious situation, but are required to.
DeleteAbout The chapo series...I have not seen it.
DeleteOh CRAP ! Rocks, no less.......I think this is NOT going to go unnoticed, but fuel the hate against legitimate economic migrants. Think people screaming WALL !
ReplyDeleteReally terrible for the guy’s family too. I hope the other agent makes it and can tell his story .
8:54. There is hate against legitimate economic migrants everywhere in the world. WWIII is in the already polluted air. For example, the Philippines are considered the richest country...by theft of valuables and money. The President of Turkey's last name has its origin in Turkey; however, there are Philippians (race characteristics) born in the Philippines with the same last name who are legitimate economic migrants in the United States? Mongolian history? Who knows except that the population shift is already taking place with Asian and Hispanics predicted to be the majority in the United States. Will the Asians not fight the Hispanics and vice versa? Hardly doubt it. Winter is coming
Delete10:38 what are u on??
Delete@4:16 Whatever it is it must be the good stuff! Playboy is transcending time and space like it ain’t no thang. Going through wormholes where alternate worlds exist. And then returning only 2 speak of futures that have yet 2 come. That right there sounds like some bad ass oblivion. Please stop making sense 10:38. - Sol Prendido
DeleteOk, let's make it official, 8:54, 10:38 and 4:07 are the BB mariguanos, not happy picking up the soap are eating it too,
DeleteThis corridor is CDJ. Barrio Aztecas and Lineas control all the territory here. A lot of territory. West Texas is something else. CDS and Jalisco use and have used this same Interstate 10 everyday transporting coke and meth and pass this same location everyday. CDS has been in Juarez for ten years now. Jalisco more recently. Juarez is as far as they get and only for moving dope. Rest of the border area is CDJ halfway down to Acuna then it turns into Zetas turf and only them two can move illegals in these areas. I grew up 90 miles SE of Van Horn. Still need more details on this. For illegals to make it to this point on foot from the border would be a miracle. There are border patrol checkpoints outside of every little town in this region and impossible for illegals to get through by vehicle/trailer. If they did make it without any help that is crazy. Unless they were harbored nearby by ranchers and dropped off and were waiting to be picked up because that happens quite often believe it or not.
ReplyDeleteNothing has really been said about any leads as to who may have been responsible for this attack on Border patrol. It may or may not have been cartel related. It may even have been staged. Either way CDS controls the valley of Juarez thru which drugs cross into the U.S. also so you can't really be sure it was Aztecas or Lineas.
Delete9:27 a walk to Pecos straight up north from the Rio Bravo, just needs some training, and food, but the ranchers do help, many of them SELFLESSLY, others for a day or two of free work, but you get to rest and eat, I had a bucket of Kentucky's fried chicken once, Colonel Sanders did not bring it there himself.
DeleteTexas Ranchers have been mexicans good friends for a Looong time but a few will call immigration on you one day before pay day.
Immigration will gladly come to pick you up after you get home from the field, "one hour early"
@ 9:07. I didn't say it was Aztecas or Lineas that did this. But updated news now says that they may have fallen off a ledge or something like that.? But if they were murdered and if it was by illegals, only Aztecas/Lineas were the ones that could have crossed them. Then they are on their own after that and the gangs don't give a shit about them once they are crossed. Too much law enforcement in this area and they risk too much to be caught as a coyote.
DeleteNow they are saying the BP agents possibly fell in a culvert and an attack is pure "speculation". The agent in the hospital has no memory of what happened.
DeleteWhy can't you guys must WORk below the radar and cross your drugs and ilegalls like business as usual why mess with the cops now the heat is on for everyone and you dumb asses have trump more fuel to mess with hard working Mexicans and mx Americans in the states que pendekos I hope you get caught.
ReplyDelete9:31 this crime looks like a special job, there are billions of dollars involved, and mexicans look like the necessary evil.
DeleteDon't believe everything the devil tells you.
I don’t always agree on the devils policies. But there are times he actually has good ideas. Lol. - Sol Prendido
DeleteYour "everyone" word generally is not a favorable word. Just for the sake of the word, Trump just ended provisional protection for Haitians in the United States. Haitians now have 18 months to leave the United States. What about the immigrants from Africa? Are they not going to deport this group due to the Africa Americans always making tooo much chaos, noise, and violence? And while Haitians are given 18 months to leave, Mexicans are given hours if not minutes when they up against deportation. Doesn't make sense, even though it doesn't have to make sense
DeleteNot sure why they didn’t use there fire arm, or the immigrants didn’t shot both of them and take off with there weapons. Also why didn’t BP find them by helicopter? It’s a huge area of desert, they couldn’t of gone to far, unless they were picked up by a coyote.
ReplyDeleteThermal sensors can detect the presence of humans in areas without the need for movement, and radio contact is generally consistent in this case. There is more to this story
DeleteMy condolences to the border patrol's family. Do we ban rocks now too?
ReplyDeleteUPDATE: "The Border Patrol agent who died Sunday in West Texas was apparently attacked, but a second agent who was injured has no memory of what happened, complicating the investigation, the president of the Border Patrol union said Monday.
ReplyDeleteMartinez died of blunt force trauma to the head, Judd said. The El Paso County Medical Examiner’s Office said Monday morning it could not release information about Martinez’s death until his family had been notified.
Judd said Martinez was patrolling Interstate 10 on Sunday and was responding to a report of potential smuggling activity.
“He got out of his vehicle,” Judd said. “It appears he was following footprints on the ground … and it appears he was ambushed. We believe he was ambushed because he made no attempt to call for help.”
A second agent, who was responding to the same report of criminal activity, was also attacked, Judd said.
“We believe he arrived shortly there after,” Judd said. “He was also ambushed and struck to the back of the head. He was struck so hard that he has no recollection of anything that happened.”
http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Border-Patrol-Union-says-agent-was-ambushed-but-12372039.php
Mmm, who knows what happened exactly down there, but i smell something fishy. With all due respect to the family, i believe he was used as a scapegoat for the wall agenda. Idk im not a conspiricist, but the story doesnt match up. Just like the other agent that was blasted on his back and died, and his buddy survived, i feel like the government sometimes betrays their own agents. Another example is the ICE agent that was killed in Mexico, who were rerouted to use a back untransit road to get back to Mexico city from Monterrey, those dudes where set up real bad by someone within ICE in Mexico.
DeleteI think the gloves will probably come off after this . Probably lots of safeties also . Wont be smart throwing rocks at border patrols in the future . Momas tell your sons to leave the rocks on the ground or the border patrol man will likely leave him on the ground.
DeleteHot off the press 11/21/17 @8:30 CST.
DeleteDALLAS (AP) - Investigators believe a border patrol agent who died in West Texas after suffering extensive injuries to his head and body may have fallen down a 14-foot (4-meter) culvert, and his partner, who radioed for help, has no memory of what happened, according to a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation.
FBI spokeswoman Jeanette Harper said in a statement Monday that both agents were found late Saturday night in a culvert near Van Horn and that both had traumatic head injuries. Harper said Rogelio Martinez died early Sunday. The FBI is leading the investigation and results of his autopsy are pending.
Another U.S. official, who was briefed on the investigation but is not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, said Monday that Martinez was found at the bottom of the culvert and that investigators believe he may have fallen. The official said it happened after dark in an area that's known for drug activity and where agents often look for drugs in culverts.
Authorities haven't offered an official explanation of what happened to Martinez and his partner, and a border patrol supervisor said reports that the agents were attacked are "speculation."
Several elected officials, including President Donald Trump, have called Martinez's death an attack. Rush Carter, a supervisor for the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol region that includes the area where Martinez died, said all the agency can confirm is that the two "were injured while performing their regular duties."
"We are waiting for the investigation to fully determine how those injuries happened," Carter said Monday night.
Harper told the San Antonio Express-News on Sunday that Martinez and his partner were "not fired upon," but she didn't elaborate.
A new era is approching.. yes Sicarios donstand a chance against the government... yet for every single one there are 20 ready to take that spot... a new era is coming where hitman will adapt to fight against the government... just like how bacteria gets stronger with the wrong use of antibiotics
ReplyDeleteagent who died was going to rat other agents
ReplyDeleteInside job
Eye for eye period.
ReplyDeleteIf this isn't a border then border patrol shouldn't be there. Leave the highway to the state. If they're gone they're gone let it be. Some MJ not worth anyone's life.
ReplyDeleteHad to be Texas mexico border smdh!!
ReplyDeleteThis seems like a movie where the cop friend turns on his buddy. I bet there is more to this story.
ReplyDeleteThe use of force is based on the agents perception, he does not approach every apprehension or vehicle stop with his hand on his gun or guns drawn.... could he do that yes,... but imagine every vehicle stop with guns drawn and asking every one to the ground,,,....? That my friends would be everyones night mare.... for the civilians and the agents themselves.... would it be safer? Absolutely but i belive somewhat excesive..... what i percive as a threat may not be a threat to your perception,.... rocks,,,, david and goliath,... rocks in through windshield where an agent almost lost his eye want to say in the border in douglas Arizona west of an area called the slag..... there ar constant rockings in that area of the border sometimes daily,,, look up war wagon border patrol,,, these are caged vehicles as so the rocks wont go through the windshields,, sometimes you patrol areas for mile and miles on your own, your nearest back up may be 2;10;20,30 minutes from you,,, knowing where you are is one thing finding you is another,... pretty sure he called back up and back up was on its way,... he probably never had a chance to call out about the ambush ,,,, as his partner got ambushed as well,.... may the state of Texas and the federal government through the book at this people who did this,... thay will find them or they may even get turned in by the cartel as the heat will rise,... and may the wall rise as well,.... 15 to 18 feet razor wire all throughout the wall,... if you ever have a chance go to san isidro california and otay mesa .... there is razor wire on those fences,,, by the port in san Ysidro east to otay.... it was done there why cant it be done in Texas....... ballan con dios que yo no los quiero...... and yes i am an American of Mexican decendants first generation, done served my country more ways than one.... continue to serve,... will forever be greatfull of this nation, no one other like this one,... do visit mexico a lot,, every chance i get,... my pops homeland... but dont get confused,, he and i will defend and protect the great USA,.. como Mexico no hay dos,... y como Estados Unidos nada mas hay uno......for all that have perished rest in peace, hermanos en armas....
ReplyDelete8:02 shit between the US and mexico is much much bigger than the hate of one less mexican, also due to mostly No mexicans.
DeleteIt is a pity that you are so short sighted and suffer of such a poor education, it doesn't show any american intellect or spirit, which most americans I know never fail to demonstrate, even if they don't feel like that.
I have heard or witnessed racism or hate in person 2 or 3 times in 40 years on the US, but you carry the cake, "mister señor", nice to meet
Ok in the USA there is a unwritten rule among cops and robbers women children and cops are not to be touched so now I hope everyone with a badge in tx reads this especially B.P agents shoot to kill ask questions later safety first good luck to all in patrol.
ReplyDelete@ 10:08pm...."shoot to kill ask questions later safety first. That dumbass statement said it all about you. I do not actually know you, but I know you. That goes for you too 8:02pm.
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ReplyDeleteDear Otis, basic training should have taught these agents to observe and report, everybody involved in law enforcement or the military should know to respect others, specially suspects, not because they are pillars of benevolence or morals, but because they can become unmanageable if you poke them a little bit too much.
ReplyDeleteOtis: I couldnt post the rest of your comment because it was too far off topic, but I agree with your comments above. The USA constitution says that nobody with be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process. That would apply to visitors, either legal or illegal. But if you read the updates, it may have been that Martinez fell on a dark night into a culvert rather than having been attacked.That doctors have said that his injuries are consistent with having fallen 14 feet into a culvert. It was reported that he suffered several broken bones as well as head trauma.
Orrait Otis, but some commenters fell in a pot of cagada with their comments against the "evil mexican drug traffickers and sicarios that did the dirty deed", they don't even know what the hell happened fer gosshakes!
Delete“That evil Mexican drug trafficker and its Sicarios”, gave this bitter taste which has led to so much discrimination towards those good people. Those good people who definitely outweigh those bad individuals.
DeleteAn unfair judgment would you not say?
The facts are still blurr pertaining what transpired.
You are correct!
Nevertheless, these perceptions swinging back and forth exist because of a reality which has plagued Mexico due to demand for drugs in America.
E42
Before the demand for drugs on the US, it was GREED all over.
Delete--GREED still moves the movers and the shakers to do 90% of the crimes in the world and many of them would never make any money for them, like taxing grameros or the kilo de tortillas and avocados in mexico.. .
--GREED has led to billion dollars fines on some of the biggest banks in the world, and it doesn't matter because they still kept 99% of their ill gotten gains.
--GREED also drives the world"s secret wars for profit and privatization...
--see Shadow Worl/ independent lens on PBS Please, I'm begging on my knees, that all of BB watches this one documentary before the end of the year,
--"coincidentally", WTTW channel announced this show on the tv guides as a David Letterman interview, I only stepped on it by mistake...
As long as you read the comment, it is ok to edit and post whatever you can or nothing at all, thanks.
DeleteE42 might I remind you that sure there is a very high demand in the USA but the demand and usage per capita is so much higher in Mexico amongst the addicts and junkies. The majority of cartel gang members are heavy users as were many ISIS terrorists overseas. They were kept stoned on meth and other drugs to carry out the most ruthless of crimes. The difference is that the $$$$ is north of the border and those who do not pay in Mexico are murdered immediately so that is a definite loss of revenue for any cartel.
Delete9:05 in mexico drug use is not in great demand, it is being forcefully imposed by drug traffickers and pushers that just drop their shit on your lap and you must sell it or eat it, BUT YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT, OR ELSE, "they" will not eat maruchan, the mexican dignitaries and authorities do not give a fack, they just want their money.
DeleteThat only applies to citizens of the us.
DeleteI hate when people continually blame the US for drug demand when they are NOT the largest group of consumers. It is a worldwide epidemic and Asia and Europe lead the world in demand and usage. Sure the US is easy to blame it rests on the border but do not automatically think the US is the root of all the demand. Here is an interesting find that will break down geographically the high and low ends of the spectrum. Everyone is right but please do not put the only emphasis on the US. https://www.unodc.org/wdr2017/field/Booklet_2_HEALTH.pdf
DeleteI just hear on tv news that the agents might have fell down on to the rocks themselves. Something is not adding up here. I hope we find the truth. Sad for the families either way.
ReplyDeleteWhat isn't adding up?
DeleteFall head first off a culvert on to rocks and see how it adds for you.
The only people that were speculating that the agents were attacked were the border patrol union that is notorious for sensationalizing and politicizing border related issued.
They were very quick to comment publicly and claim the agents were attacked and beaten with rocks. Which seems pretty irresponsible considering the situation was still being investigated by the actual authorities who are investigating it... which is not the border patrol union.
It wouldn't surprise me if the agents accidentally fall off a culvert and injured themselves. That area is remote. There was no moonlight. It was extremely dark.
What isn't adding up is all the people (border patrol union, the president, etc.) speculating as to what happened rather than letting the investigation unfold and to wait for the authorities actually doing the investigating to make a statement as to what they think happened.
What if this agent did not fall off a culvert but instead was pushed off by his buddy? Then his buddy injures himself to say he has memory loss in order to make it seem that something else happened and is not pushed into confessing the truth?
DeleteThese two Mexican-american BP agents did not want to go with "the program" and were done in by their own. This reeks of corruption.
ReplyDelete10:18 No se dejaron agarrar el overthere.
DeleteNever be the hero. Just do your job to a certain extent and this will not happen. Federal agents have it harder to shoot at civilians. Too many rule of engagement. Sucks. All he will get is a memorial ceremony and that is it.
ReplyDeleteDon't BP wear body cameras? Or at least the vehicle should have a camera. Show the video footage.
ReplyDeletethey are not required to wear body cameras and there are limited amounts. The re is absolutely no need for body cameras anyhow. This is not street duty this is mountainous and dangerous terrain and the cameras only offer limited views and interfere with the officers duties in those areas. The cost is not feasible and the cameras add more insult to anything.
Delete5:38 well spoken!
DeleteBut it is a comment full of a pack of lies,
Cameras are NEEDED to not be depending on gossip,
they are not all that expensive either, but the Union does not need its members participating in their own hanging efore going to court for their exoneration, a catch 22 for crooks.
@ 10:03 now you are here posting with your negativity. Quit posting your unfounded left protests on the BB. You post several times on each blog article negative bigoted remarks. We all wish the BB would censor or not post your one-sided opinions. All your statements on every single post are so far fetched and bigoted you need some help. Fact number one, they are expensive. Fact number two, they have been tested and are still tested but not feasbile because of very LIMITED viewing area. Fact number three, the constant rain, dirt, dust, temperatures and conditions cause mass functionability problems. Fact number four, they interfere with the agents physical duties in dangerous areas. Fact number five, much of the activity is at night and visibility even if equipped w/ nightvision does not capture viewable pictures. And the list goes on. The CBP has done feasability studies and the cost is astronomical and not efficient consistent with the officers duties. Again, as many people have posted to all your comments all over the BB quit spreading false news and promoting your personal left agenda. You make claims that CANNOT be proven, it is your opinion and it is not news, or based on fact. Please post somewhere else with your political agenda.
Delete10:03 .....officials found the cameras' benefits were outweighed by their drawbacks, including cost, damage to morale, vulnerability to hacking and the agents' rugged working conditions.
DeleteOfficials field-tested cameras with 90 agents and officers across the country and consulted Los Angeles and New Orleans police. After a yearlong review, they found most body cameras “were not designed to meet the rigors required by CBP officers and agents,” noting the cameras had “limited effectiveness.”
I understand they are trying to use in limited situations but they consider it a total waste of money since the agents activities in most areas cannot garner clear or distinct images and the 10’s of millions needed to equip 70K plus agents can be spent better elsewhere.
DeleteChivis or Otis has there been any leaks as to the 2nd agent taking a polygraph? I heard 2 news reports this morning saying the agent who suffered “memory loss” is not cooperating and his family has retained legal representation. Hopefully you can dispel this as I would hate to think he was inviolved somehow, or someway. Just a coincidence but I ask as that Baltimore detective who was murdered the other day was getting ready to testify against several dirty BPD officers the very next day and his weapon was used to murder him and his partner was across the street watching. No one knew he was going to testify as the indictment by the grand jury was sealed yet he was murdered the day before. Not even the cheif of police or prosecuting attorney knew about his forthcoming testimony until the feds released it the next day after finding a private video recording of the murder which visually shows his partner hiding across the street. Could be a ploy but the BPD murder definitely is an inside job and obvious corruption to eliminate the only witness against the dirty cops. This “rumor” of the border agent now not cooperating if true raises grave concern about who is really protecting our borders.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure where you are getting your information, but good topic.
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