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| Friends of Holger Hagenbusch and Krzysztof Chmielewski protest in San Cristobal de las Casas at the official handling of the cyclists’ death. Photograph: Rodrigo Pardo/EPA |
Two European cyclists who were found dead at the bottom of a ravine in southern Mexico were murdered, investigators have said, discarding their earlier theory that the men plunged off a cliff.
The cyclists – Holger Hagenbusch of Germany and Krzysztof Chmielewski of Poland – had been travelling the world by bicycle.
But after being reported missing by relatives, they were found dead at the foot of a sheer rock face in the Mexican state of Chiapas.
Investigators initially said the pair appeared to have lost control on a winding mountain road.
However, after a group of fellow cyclists questioned that version of events, a special prosecutor newly appointed to take over the case said the cyclists had in fact been murdered.
“It may have been an assault, because our investigations up to now indicate this was an intentional homicide,” special prosecutor Luis Alberto Sanchez told journalists.
The motive appears to have been robbery, he said. Chmielewski sustained a head injury that may be a gunshot wound, he added.
Hagenbusch’s brother Rainer, who flew to Mexico to identify him, wrote on his Facebook page that both bodies had been mutilated.
“The Polish cyclist was decapitated and had a foot missing,” he said.
The Chiapas state government vowed to “intensify the investigation” to solve the case.
Investigators said the two cyclists met in the town of San Cristobal de las Casas on 20 April and decided to travel together to the ancient Mayan ruins at Palenque, some 200km (130 miles) away.
Chmielewski’s body was found on 26 April, and Hagenbusch’s on 4 May.
Mexico is struggling to deal with a wave of violent crime that left a record 25,000 murder victims last year.
Since the government launched a controversial military offensive to fight the country’s powerful drug cartels in 2006, the country has registered more than 200,000 homicides.
Damn, he got decapitated. Sad but Mexico is not safe at ALL
ReplyDeleteNa, it’s safe. You just have to know what you are doing, and when, and where, with who.
DeleteYou mean like knowing you are riding a bike down the road with a friend?
Delete6:40 depends, where that road is and where it leads to.
Deleteit is not safe for Mexicans living there,
imagine what others can expect,
not a red carpet, unless it is red with their blood...
mexico has become a trash dump. for the most part the people of Mexico are hard working folks but when you take guns out of the hands so they can not take care of each other then comes the trash. the U.S. should build a wall and tell Mexico to eat each other up but stay on the other side. Sad
ReplyDelete@11:40Am This sounds like it was written by someone who is famous for writing incoherent disconnected tweets. First you say Mexico is trash dump; then you say the people are good hard working people; then you switch to gun control and say the violence is because the people don't have guns to "take care of each other. The US has enough guns for everyone in the country to have at least one. How many stories a year do you read or see on TV of people using their guns to "care for" their fellow citizens? 50? 100? dO YOU really thank that makes a dent in crime. Then you switch to building a wall and telling all those "good hardworking people" to eat each other and stay in Mexico. What is sad is that there are so many people that think like you do.
Delete11:40 Famous criminal Don king said once:
Delete"Only in America, baby!"
Eating each other is not as much a practice in LatinAmerica.
But it is good to see once in a while the depths of degeneration some people live in so we can try to not sink there.
Yea just because you didn't see it on tv means it never happens.
DeleteGood call dd
“Mexico has become a trash dump” says the guy who has never left moms basement, and only knows Mexico from what he reads on 4chan and borderland beat.
DeleteNot surprised by the end result of these poor cyclists. Robbery and killings have become a continuous occurrence in Mexico.
ReplyDeleteFirst reports given by officials to news outlets were that cyclists swirled off to ravine. As a former cyclist this theory did not add up. The probability of 2 cyclists meeting same fate was un-highly.
Leaving questions of either incompetence or hiding the truth by officials. For those cross country enthusiasts; avoid Mexico. There are safer places other than Mexico with beautiful scenery elsewhere.
Hopefully those bastards responsible for this meet the same fate.
E42
Meh you be scared to travel, I’ll keep going to Mexico to visit my family and enjoy the scenery. Y’all act like people don’t get murdered in the US on the daily.
DeletePeople don’t get their heads cut off over a robbery. Nice comparison
Delete8:24 Como chingados no,
DeleteThe Mexican police are sick and tired of being identified by their victims, or survive or of their attacks, and choppers don't talk
Really?????? cyclists?????? fucking animals. these are not cartels anymore, this is not organized crime, this is not trafficking anymore BUT yet i knew this a long time ago.SPECIAL MESSURES are needed to fight the cartels, why? because these are not people any longer, these are monsters.
ReplyDelete@12'00PM Time to wake up, you and I are on the same wave link though we may differ on the solutions. I wrote an article in 2012 that in effect called for "Special Measures" to fight the cartels. I proposed Public Hanging. Not just one at a time, but hang 50 or more at a time on the Plaza. These "monsters" are really just sicarrios that face possible death every day so the death penalty alone will not put fear in their hearts. And they think it wouldn't happen to them. But what they would fear most is being humiliated. If they see a hundred bodies hanging in the Plaza other sicarios are going to stop and think "maybe this could be me". They are going to see the compadres peeing in their pants and defecating in their pants with their tongue sticking out of their mouth and their feet and legs twitching. Some will realize that is how they will be remembered, not as a macho brave man who killed a lot of people. That will put fear in their hearts. Some of the capos and other bosses may decide to take their fortunes and run before they are caught and humiliated in death like that. Some kids and other young people may decide that don't want to go down that path after all. I think cartels would have a much harder time recruiting.
DeleteThat would be "SPECIAL MEASURES". I even think "Bronco's proposal to cut off a hand of any public official convicted of stealing or embezzling more than a certain amount from the Treasury.
Horrendous problems which threaten a nation and for whick no other solution has been found calls for Drastic MEASURES. If you didn't read it, go back to
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2018/04/death-penalty-si-how-lethal-injection.html
and read it carefully. It is not as crazy as it sounds.
It's wave length, not wave link.
DeleteWow dd.
DeleteVery explicit details pertaining the deaths of capos. Many can relate to the frustrations and necessary implementations to deter one from future behavior.
Why not just fix the problem from the top? Reference to government corruption. Its through these officials that capos exist. Hanging capos will only be met with the replacement by others who are chosen who sit on the very top.
The fortunes from drug trafficking alone overwhelmingly refute all evident outcomes for many. This is clearly evident today!
Money is the culprit here. Where dollar signs outweigh moral issues.
Maybe if better wages and jobs were available for many things would be better. Opportunities can be a deterrence to engage.
But I do agree that implementations of something other than what’s wrong today needs to be addressed.
Moreover; I do recall Broncos suggested response pertaining criminals. An issue strongly associated by loss of a family member. Probably the only candidate who bears the full impact of crime in Mexico.
E42
Finally somebody hit the nail. These scum are not human, they renounce that right when they themselves dehumanize other people. They are terrorist suicidal animals, they are not atraído to die. They want to die and take as many as they can with them. They should be put to death, these lacras will never rehabilitate on the contrary they go to "jail" & and walk away on technicalities (bribes) and are out doing the same or worst because of what they learned inside prison. KILL THOSE WHO HAVE KILLED WITH NO REMORSE.
DeleteOnly now that two European cyclists get murdered, now you think they should have special measures? I’m Canadian btw married to a Mexican in Canada, so my opinion is from abroad. What about the 35 murdered in Veracruz in 2011, or the 72 massacred in San Fernando? Or a casino in Monterrey being chained up letter patrons burn to death? Or any other act of savagery? If those 1000’s of atrocities have not evoked special measures then not much else will. It’s like only foreigners being killed calls for such measures. Anyone or society having to endure such senseless acts of barbarism should evoke these measures. As I said I’m am a foreigner that keeps his ears to the ground in Mexico.
DeleteThanks DD! I have always been hardcore against capital punishment. I've always believed that God is in control. He has the ultimate say in how we die. But at this point, I have to agree with you. I don't understand how they are ALL let off with a slap on the wrist (in reality a small bite from their wallets). 😣😔😞 It deeply saddens me.
DeleteWho are you? Are you some sort of cheerleader who gets a kick from murder and mayhem and watching families being destroyed? All this crap you post is just copy and pasted from REAL Journalist's. Also I never see you credit any of the news sources you steal from.
Delete@7:34 Who are you talking to? You neglected to say who your comment is addressed to.
Delete@7:34. Luciano Prieto. You don't need to answer my question as to who you were directing you comment to. I suspected that it was aimed at me so I published it because I was willing to argue with you. But it was aimed at another reporter I would not have posted it.
DeleteThen I read your next 4 comments and I added you to my list that I will never post your comments.
dd
DeleteYou really come off as self righteous in your post. Just saying
@8:06 Maybe because I am righteous and tell the truth.
Delete@7:34
DeleteThey TRANSLATE these stories to make more people aware of the F$ckery that happens down there. I understand you probably piss on your balls, but don’t take it out on them.
@2:17PM Thanks Canada for your input. The terrible murder of the 2 cyclist had nothing to do with mine and "Wake Up"'s views on special measures. As I stated in my article on as you call it "special measures" I stated that most of the article was written in 2012 (but I thought if still relevant today. "Wake Up" said in his comment that he had been thinking for a long time about some special measures were needed.
DeleteAt least one reason that any of those special measures were never acted upon is because of the governing parties and the President would never act on anything that was "out of the box". I believe and hope that in the election coming up July 1 there are candidates that will have new ideas ("out of the box"). I hope the Mexican people will elect one of them who will have the balls to take some drastic measures that will lessen the violence and the corruption.
The death penalty in Mexico is being already imposed, maybe extra-judiciarily but it is there, even narcos take justice in their own hands once in a while, but for the most part it is polesias and melitary killing innocent people.
DeleteYour drastic measures are only calling for more unwanted mutilations, brainwashing and abuses of authority.
--Regarding mister prieto's crap, copying and pasting does not turn REAL journalists shit into "crap".
--Prieto, Prieto tienes el pedorro...
DD why do u explain urself to these fucktards? U only stoop down to their level by engaging in such a conversation. U moderate and do whatever the hell u want. I actually like that u post their comments. It really amazes me that these idiots support and condone such atrocity in this world. Oh but when it hits their perfect little humble home, then we'll see if they stand with you.
DeleteEsto es obra de punteros o integrantes de algún cartel, solo estos decapítan a sus enemigos o los usan como muestra de su salvajismo par sembrar terror en la población. "calentar la plaza"
Delete@dd You figure that a few people pissing and crapp'n there pants while rag-dolling on a rope is going to "Scare Straight" some pos cartel flunky that just finished doing a heart gank of a child while he screams for his mother ? I disagree .
DeleteR.I.P.
ReplyDeleteThere are a couple right now, started in Alaska, on the way to Argentina.....rode through Acapulco a day or so ago.
ReplyDeleteIs it the cute little couple in a van? I think they went through Queretaro, Mexico City, and San Luis Potosí a few days ago. I thought of this when I saw them go viral today. This exact story came to mind. ;(
DeleteThis is not the 1st time this has happened to people that travel the world end up dead in Mexico.Like Harry D a few years ago on his way to Brazil and those 2 Austrailians.The authorities knew I'm sure but didn't want to affect tourism until pressed for the truth.They were probably sitting ducks going slow on the hiway and with overstuffed saddlebags didn't look like locals and if course were carrying everything on them.Really unfortunate.Those poor guys what they had to go through.Obviously wasn't a simple robbery but a matter of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.That could have been anyone.It was a crime of opportunity!
ReplyDeleteFucking idiots. What were they doing in mexico. How many times have i said it. Beautiful country with some good people but not worth a visit. Not even if your mexican and you want to visit your family or were you come from. Its not SAFE ANYMORE. IT AINT LIKE IT WAS. DONT VISIT. unless your a complete fuck up. Who is not all there.
ReplyDelete@1;45pm You called the murdered cyclist "fucking idiots" and asked what were they doing there. They like the other more than 30 million Americans who visited Mexico last year were vacationing. They didn't think they would be part of the 75 Americans murdered out of that more than 30 million.
DeleteI suspect that the odds are much greater that 2 cyclist would be killed in a traffic accident in the US.
There is no question that areas in Mexico are dangerous, places I would not go even though I have lived here more than 20 years. But to say Mexico is not safe and don't go there is an uninformed opinion.
Yeah I take offence to that too 1:45.I'm glad DD shone some light on the actual very small percentage that do get murdered.BTW there have been Americans murdered in Canada too an even so called safer country than the USA.As a motorcyclist that has travelled quite extensively throughout Mexico solo and planning to do it again you are making it look like it's the travellers fault not the criminals.Sure there is extra precautions to be taken but that's like blaming the victim of a rapist because of the way she's dressed.That is so unfair like adding insult to injury.2 years ago I did have a fellow motorcyclist friend drive his motorcycle from Calgary to Argentina(I was jealous) for the winter and he made it.Plans to do it again too.Europeans are big world travellers too especially Germans.To be fair I would say it is somewhat more riskier to travel on a road trip ANYWHWERE than a fly to an all inclusive resort.Your chances of an accident are much higher with other vehicles,animals on the road and breaking down could leave 1 at risk compared to the almost 100% aircraft safety record of flying but then again you could have your safe robbed at the hotel or grab a cab and be robbed and killed by your taxi driver like that woman last year in Merida.It would be interesting to see the statistics on the tourists that are killed were they travelling on their own or did they fly in?I wish some journalist would do some research and write an article on it.
DeleteThere is more chances of tourists getting killed in México than winning the lotto. Reason why i don't waste my money on lotto reason why am staying away from mexico for the time being.
Delete30 million Americans? That's untrue, it's closer to 7 million American visitors. The total number of international visitors is estimated at 30 to 34 million.
DeleteMore like 7 million American visitors. The total number of international visitors is estimated to be 30 to 34 million.
DeleteWhen you cross the border all bets arw off. If you have any kind of smarts you for example dont go on vacation to afghanistan or irak or somalia or mexico. Mexico has changed. Its simply not safe. Entire families disapear when they try to go visit their families in mexico. Now and days its there for all to see. It be nice if we lived in a world were we cld go anywhere we wanted to visit but its not.
DeleteLike the american father who took hes family to mexico and daughter died or the football star that died on springbrake. All morons. All putin themselves or their families in danger.
Delete¿How about "F...in UNINFORMED ...! "
DeleteAccording to this article, 11 million Americans visited Mexico last year.
Deletehttps://www.vox.com/2018/5/11/17276638/mexico-kidnappings-crime-cartels-drug-trade
@3:34 You misread the Vox article. It says 11 million vacationed, not visited as you said. In fact the NYT says 11 million vacationed on the Maya Riveria alone. Further in the article it says over 28 million visited Mexico (and that story is from Sept 2017. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/29/travel/mexico-cancun-safety.html
Delete@3:01PM. Comparing Mexico to Afghanistan, Somalia, etc. is comparing apples to oranges. Mexico is more dangerous than it used to be. But so is the US and many other countries. In the US in past years most people did not lock their doors at night but in a more dangerous world people today take smart precautions and lock their doors. The same hols true in Mexico; if you take smart precautions and get informed by State Dept. advisories, don't flash your money, don't wear expensive jewelry, etc. you are probably safe traveling in Mexico. Just be informed and be smart.
DeleteFlooding Mexico with US corn and beans left Mexican farmers oo their own "ingenuity", then persecuting them with the army and marinas and federal police and Mando Unicos and their own private reserve brand of local narcos has turned many people into animals like that Cancun police officer part time cab driver, but this guy was no desperado, just one more greedy prepotent sicario de estado.
DeleteThe most powerful producer of murdering killers for profit has been the US with its yearly production of Kaibiles, GAFES, and other death squads all over Latin America from Argentina and Chile to Tijuana and Matamoros, and after SCHOOL OF THE ASSASSINS WATCH, they have been turning their contracts to private corporations that have made their special brand of Murder Inc. Made on the US for the banana republics for the pleasure of the brave new world capitalists to come and exploit the LatinAmericas one more time...
I don't know it it is for reals but have you seen Gorgoglio kissing Rothschild's hand?
Don't just blame the Mexicans for the xenophobia or their rabid treatment of tourists or visitors, better educated trillionaires and billionaires with great culture needed to get rich off making mexicans hungry, that is all the exploitation politics of imperialism leave behind, the consequences are not pleasant, sure.
Cop #1 What about that bullet hole in his skull? Cop #2 That's not a bullet hole. He probably hit a stick on the way down the ravine. Cop #1 OK, case closed.
ReplyDelete200,000 homicides?
ReplyDeleteWOW. Mexico is a war zone.
Mexico is a clandestine Government Mass Grave,
DeleteWar zones have armed groups in conflict with each other,
In Mexico it is all on the dawn low, a slow state coup, where in fact mexicans are not even free to elect their own government unless the US designated winner wins...
--Shet, even the Real American People are not free to elect their own leadership these days!
Blame somebody for liking too much his favorite US dog oligarchs that have promised to save the US from mexicans and their taco trucks on every sidewalk of every American corner.
The mexican debacle could be attributed to Counter-Insurgence
DeleteDue to counter-intelligence recommended measures,
--that there is no insurgency developing in Mexico since the DFS stopped fabricating it in the 70s does not matter one cummin or a poppy seed,
All there is is State Sponsored Narco-Terrorism now.
Not to defend criminals or locals in Mexico...dont go to Mexico...simple. One day in Tijuana i almost got run over by some lady on the road,I was furious and some Mexican kid told me "hey gringo if you dont like it dont come here" brutal!!
ReplyDeleteWtf you doing in the road? Last time I checked if you on the road your bound to get hit by a vehicle.
Delete@934am I was crossing the pedestrian cross intersection with the light "on "calle segunda and revolusion showing 30 seconds to cross with approximate 20 mexicans natives of tijuana and some lady in a car just plump right into the crowd of pedestrian and I said wow some "one call the cops", and the answer that i got from a local tijuana native "if you dont like it dont come here"...it seems to me that is very obvious that "you 934am "have prejudice against Americans and would always take the side of the social warriors antifa even when they are on the obvious wrong. Is ok , because I knew Mexico is was and will be a dangerous land and is a lawles country where money talks and bullshit walks. Long story short, I went to the local "transito" paid him $100 dollars to get me some justice and sure enough he pulled the lady out of the car by force..so "wtf" is a good comment when is obvious you hate on pedestrians specially if the are tourist like them poor cyclist.
Delete1:46 100.00 dollars won't save you all the time, 30 second delay light won't either, in Mexico you don't have the rights just like every other mexican
DeleteStop going to Mexico not even the own mexican people are safe and now that their is a new cartel who kills innocent people and robbed tourist the jalisco cartel they also kill students and italians bunch of cowards im not suprised the state where their boss is born is where cowards are born thats the school he teaches his people
ReplyDeleteEl San Luis Potosi
Tienes Toda la razon comentario dela pura verda
DeleteStep away from the cocaine
Delete3:43 the criminals murdered 2 foreign cyclists, for whatever reason, but San Luis Potosi I'd flooded with criminals graduated from the state police academy that need to be made members of crime to be admitted, courtesy of former director of SSP del estado de San Luis Potosi, Enrique Francisco galindo ceballos, who resigned his directorship of the Mexican SSP because he is guilty of the Tanhuato Crime Of State. He is also accused of murdering his own commanders in SLP and of being a University porro as a student, like his former boss MAO osorio chón.
DeleteMeh I will keep going to Mexico. You go ahead and live scared.
DeleteSaludasos para la gente buena de Cerritos,S.L.P. Desfortunadamemte por allí andan Los Zetas operando. - Sol Prendido
Delete10:03 Keep your pedorro tight, it will loosen up when they slice your throat or hang you by the neck.
DeleteSaludos de Tierra nueva S.L.P
Delete😈
Unless you have a way to get an OK from whoever has the power, there is a big risk in doing something like this.
ReplyDeleteIts obvious these guys were not reading BB, At least they died doing something they liked...
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately not! But partial blame also falls to main steam media for not reporting on Mexico’s situation. Much of what’s transpiring is reportedly not considered news worthy for reasons unknown.
DeleteE42
1:51 not all the news fit to be printed gets printed,
Deletetoo much BS in the world, and not enough room or time to print it, then there is the BIASED CHOICES, they get selective, but you can always start your own news you like blog, hers''s my two cents to help financing it and I hope all the dumbass fool commenters go with you...
and leave me here alone with mi reina La Chiva
Great headline to the world Mexico! Pathetic state of affairs. When will the outrage reach a tipping point for change.
ReplyDeleteThis also happens to foreigners especially of European descent because of how they treat mexicans abroad. Word gets back how wrongfully some are treated. Maybee they have no fault for what their counteymen do but it is what it is. Treat Mexicans how you would treat your own point simple.
Delete6:48 one thing is for sure, no Mexican government officer is being accused or investigated for going around the world extorting governments or corporations to exact payments, fees, grants, "investments", kickbacks and other fees to the prezident's favorite charity, himself...
DeleteMexico use to be something you were proud to stay say soy mexicano.. hora da verguensa... pinche jente pendeja ah desmadrado el pais. Oh si pero viva el chapo viva z42 verdad.. que pendejos la neta y lo digo con tristesa
ReplyDelete8:07 Si, que viva El Chapo, he had WAY MORE LAW and ORDER on his corner of the world than there is now thanks to the replacement new cartel sponsored by the Mexican government.
Delete--Las Niñas Treviñas, are some lacraz, turned and left their corner of the world a messy shit nobody is trying to fix.
Costa Rican Chaves vargas said she was born a mexican, because we the Mexicans get born wherever it fucking pleases us,
Delete"Nosotros Los Mexicans nacemos donde nos da nuestra chingada gana..." no mexican born mexican has ever told a truer truth.
"Y Si Quieren Saber..." autobiografia de Chavela Vargas.
Ella estaba enamorada de la bigotona Frida Kahlo,
y de cuanta mujer se le atravezaba,
I am done with Mexico. Have been 14 times but no more.
ReplyDeleteGood more tacos and fun for me
Delete😂😂😂😂
DeleteAgreed
I'm mexican....but I'm also a mountain biker.../p.o.s people trying to rob them
ReplyDeleteWith all the travel advisories about the dangers in Mexico, I can't understand why they even tried. Only thing worse would have been hitchhiking across the country.
ReplyDeletePero ahi andan de calientes
ReplyDeleteThese days the Rohingya are getting mass murdered by the hundreds of thousands, kicked out of their own lands, and ding of hunger and illness before the closed eyes of the world, they did not chose any of that, but this pair of cyclists made a choice even if death was not in the menu, not even in the small print...
DeleteReport before this by Otis:"Cut the body of the monster..."
ReplyDeleteSays 2017 ended with 27 734 murders,
This report says 25 000, i'd round it up to 30 000 murders and X Disappeared and missing.
The Mexican government rounds the dead to around 10 000 narcos
Deleteand zero civilians murdered, and zero disappeared.
This is so sad. May both men rest in peace. i would be scared to do this even with a car and they used bicicletas. What made me suspicous, was that they told the people it was an accident and that they found both bodies close to each other but on different dates.
ReplyDeleteWhen you riding more then 60.000km you just know how to ride and the road there is not so tough.
But what makes be angry, next to the stupid press releases from mx government is that you read or hear nothing about in german newspapers. Its last page news in germany.
Foreign countries must put much more pressure on the mexican government, or mexicans start another revolution, otherwise killing will never stop.
And the left wing newspaper "Die Zeit" in germany is publishing a story on how nice its to be a jimador these days jalisco.
Including this and some cheesy pictures and you have some more guest at the "all-inclusive" compounds in cancun. Living in all these hotels, made with laundred drug money, build on stolen land.
elranarene
If you don't like Mexico, stay out!
ReplyDeleteMexico has plenty of guns. The Constitution guarantees the right of citizens to own arms, 38 cal and below. Mexicans do not have the right to carry outside their home. However with all the cartel activity the murder rate is about 21/100K while the USA is 5/100K. This is a very difficult problem.
ReplyDelete“Mexicans do not have the right to carry outside their home. ”
DeleteAnche how do you defend yourself against criminals?
Even many autodefensas were disarmed precisely because of that reason, because they weren’t entitled to carry their weapons in the streets.
Tell the cartels to try and do in Texas the shit they do in Mexico, and see what happens.
The road between San Cristobal and Palenque has always been one of the most dangerous in the country. Lots of rebellious indians that do not like outsiders. Even busses can’t travel on that road sometimes. EZLN graffiti everywhere. They were likely warned to stay off that one and if so were stupid not to heed those warnings. This is the part of Chiapas where group lynchings are commonplace for things as trivial as “he walked on my land” or “he looked at my woman”. By far the most dangerous area of Chiapas and the only you can not readily travel through.
ReplyDelete7:02 you make it look like EZLN and their evil grafitty are the murdering party, why?
Delete--I hope you are not working with the new "contras" to provoke some little war for profit as you did in Nicaragua to load the US with Cocaine Trafficking Cowboys and DEBT...specially now that the Reaganautas del Narcotrafico y Las Guerras Contra la Verdad and the weapons of mass distracshun are getting back into the Whites' House...with ollie heading the NRA looks easy...
Hwy. 199 from San Cristobal to Palenque often has roadblocks with youngsters wanting a 50-500 peso toll before you can continue on. I wonder if these bicyclists refused to pay thinking they weren't using a motor vehicle, and thus getting killed?
DeleteBack in the 70s, one small ranch before Zacatecas capital of the state went rogue and started collecting tolls from even passenger buses, going north or coming south, everybody paid, respectfully, the road guards were on skinny hungry horses, the students and politicians used to call that rancho the Socialist Sister Republic of Troncoso, Zacatecas.
DeleteThe WARNINGS are out there people...Enter Mexico at your own risk!
ReplyDeleteGermany/Poland should do something about this.
7:11 like what, catch and torture some more innocent Iraqis in their secret CIA prisons?
DeleteIn a few years when the new super highway is finished connecting San Cristobal to Palenque there will be no more tourists on the free road 199 to “toll”, extort and rob. Get em while you can!
ReplyDeleteMexico is hell on Earth. The Roman Catholic church should revoke Mexico's title as the land of "La Virgen de Guadalupe". I'm never going to Mexico again. I haven't been there in years. I'm going to have a long talk with my Father who is Mexican-American, the next time he plans to visit his old hometown.
ReplyDelete8:05 God, The Virgin of Guadalupe and the Catholic Church are there for everybody, including the dead, you and the assassins.
DeleteWait a minute...I think you are mistaken Jesus left Mexico a while back!!!! Mexico since 1986 Is under new ownership...satan is running it!!!
DeleteJess like his Father God are everywhere watching everything, problem is They gave man feedom to do as they see fit and that includes freedom to sin and get enticed to sin and even the chance to repent and mend your ways on time, not at the last minute when the bad guys are slicing your ass in half with a dull chainsaw.
DeleteProbably tortured and murdered for a few thousand pesos...very sad the disregard these killers have for human life.
ReplyDeleteWhat a disgrace
ReplyDeleteMexico just keeps embarrassing themselves
Cant even have foreign visitors .
Yes Mr. Crybaby let's blame it all on Mexico. There at lot of law abiding citizens that work hard to make ends meet, then you have the bad azz hombres, killing anyone and everyone they feel, yes Mr. Crybaby everyone is bad in Mexico. You better not come to Mexico. Luna Apagtha
Delete@ 6:40
DeleteIn all countries there the bad hombres, but you don’t see that shit in Europe or in USA. Hell, even most third world countries are much safer than Mexico.
@8:24PM What "shit" is it that you don't see in Europe or USA? 2 innocent people robbed and murdered? You need to look at some local media coverage in almost every major city in US. Murders and robberies happen every day.
DeleteEurope has seen its share of killing and murdering by the millions and millions, in WWI and wwII, even Americans went there to help with the murdering...
Delete12:56 weapons merchants supplied both sides of both WW I and II, and some American corporations and banksters worked with Hitler and other nazis before, during and after the wars, even earning some good powerful friends for life IN the US government...
DeleteThe criminals kill anything that moves, they demantle tracks to steal, they kill horses, babies, nuns priests, now they kill tourist biking and minding there own business. They the criminals need to be killed on the spot.
ReplyDeleteI guess we learned our lesson from the first time Europeans made their way to Mexico. Won’t catch us off guard again.
ReplyDeleteAn apathetic population that looks the other way is the problem. You will be next!
ReplyDeleteI wonder if is one of the Polish that attacked the Mexican Navy a while back , I guess sad to say but Karma got to him if is one of them
ReplyDeleteFirst of all the plave you call dump feeds 51% of the united states with fruits and produce
ReplyDeleteWord in Michoacan is that El 85 teamed up with basically all the heavy hitters in Michoacan to go against Mencho. Don't know what he did but he's going to be out the picture soon, he's no match for all those capos
ReplyDeleteBad things happen all over the world. The key to this senseless and horrific act is the actions of the authorities in automatically dismissing the crime. For all of the horrors inflicted upon Mexico by the cartels and criminals it should be understood that they are a symptom of the underlying problem of a complete failure in the rule of law and endemic corruption of the organs of government from the municipal / state / federal police to the judges to the military to the presidency. This is the actual underlying disease which allows this type of lawlessness to flourish.
ReplyDeleteThe authorities in Mexico are fucking ridiculous..
ReplyDelete"Investigators initially said the pair appeared to have lost control on a winding mountain road".
The one dude was fucking decapitated! Jesus Christ.. It's amazing that investigators get away with saying shit like that down there.
Why does Mexico seem to have such a blood thirst for torture and extreme grotesque violence? I mean the fact they felt that torture and dismemberment was necessary is disturbing.
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@8:08 Phelpso why do you paint all of Mexico with the same brush and say "Mexico seems to have a blood thirst for torture...."
DeleteIt would be more accurate and sound less racist if you phrased it "why do some criminals in Mexico have a blood thirst for torture...".
In your statement about "investigators get away with shit like that", referring to the original report of running off the road, they didn't get away with it for very long. A prosecutor appointed to the case said "in fact they have been murdered." Did you even read the article?
Overall, your comment does sound pretty racist.
Its real simple, you can commit heinous crimes and get away with it in mexico.
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DeleteIt has nothing to do with race and everything to do with Mexico's society.
The world is an inherently violent place. Yet the insane desire to torture victims and commit crimes against humanity is unparalleled to anywhere else in the western hemisphere.
Yes, i read the article. The info stating he was decapitated was presented after the info stating they flew off the cliff. i wouldnt know that if i hadn't read the article.
Its the fact investigators EVER said "flew off the cliff" is what i found amazing. Clearly decapitation is murder. It doesn't take mastermind detective work to figure that out.
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And that’s why I tell Markito I’m not going down there. That crystal got these fools paranoid!
ReplyDeleteI live in Mexico and my Mexican friends that live here do not think it was too smart to travel on bikes here long distance. First off DD it is much more dangerous here to ride bikes on a road where most have no emergency lanes and very narrow lanes. Also on many of the routes where there are emergency lanes people drive in them the whole time so people can pass on the left. It is a site sight to see how they do it. They drive the whole distance in that lane. It is very dangerous. Also there are so many areas that you are told not to even pull your car over to take a leak. All the way there are areas where you just do not stop unless it is an emergency. I have been in the car with my wife and friend and we were going from Chihuahua to Cuauhtemoc. About an hour away. They would not let me stop because they were assaulting and robbing people that pull over. There are many roads that are so dangerous that you just do not pull over, and Mexican people know that. There are nice people in some pueblos that tell you not to pull over in many areas. Those are facts. The resorts are another thing. Much safer. I have been pulled over and had 13 guns pointed in my face on the road going to Cosala. I thought I was going to die. Had to do some quick talking.
ReplyDelete10:08 If you don't pull over it is automatic death sentence, from narcos, polesias or melitary, it is all the same, except for the marcos who will not plant weapons and accuse you of trying to "ambush the authorities" and losing your gamble.
DeleteSend US Marines down there and I’ll enlist right away.
ReplyDeleteWrong this none of our business. This is mexican german problem
DeleteQue asco la gente de Mexico, it’s not everyone I know. But literally every other time on the news decapitaion or kidnappings of foreigners too, not just local. No tourist = no economy, la gente se esta enterrando ellos mismos. Violent acts like this will slowly diminish any tourism boom that Mexico is hoping for. I just thank god that my parents left that shithole to give me and my family a better life. I don’t mean to offend anyone but when people can’t even ride their fucking bikes and spend money in another country idk.
ReplyDeleteThat's kind of sort of blowing things out of proportion. I lived in Baja California for 3 years and never once experienced violence, let alone theft. I wont bury my head in the sand either. Yeah, violence is picking up there for sure. But I see people of all ages, from toddlers to old folks doing just fine getting from A to B, or celebrating a birthday, or just getting by.
DeleteI'm an American who truly appreciated and enjoyed the time I spent there. I'm not replying out of offense either, by the way. You are entitled to your opinion and you aren't wrong per se, there's obviously a lot of unsavory reports coming up. But it does not paint an accurate picture of day to day life in Mexico.
The good people of Mexico are tainted by scum like these killers. Stay strong my friends. The spirit of Mexico isn't defined by the low lives who commit these atrocities.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand... I rode my bike three times from Vancouver, B.C., Canada to northern California with one or more friends. On each ride we traveled the coast highway in Oregon, on highway 101. The first trip, while in Oregon out in the country, some A-hole pulled over where we were riding, stopped his pick-up with a gun rack with gun, and yelled, "Get off the road!" I was riding with a Canadian cop, who later said,"Shit, I should have brought my gun!" Apparently, it is legal for a cop from Canada at that time to bring their service revolver into the country. After this weasel left we started again. Sure enough, he came back and yelled the same shit. Since we were in the middle of nowhere, we waited for close to an hour before we continued.
ReplyDeleteOn the second trip, I was with a different guy, and we were stopped to rest and were about 10' off the road in a wide spot. A logging truck crummy (a truck used for transporting loggers into the woods) ran off the road and they tried to hit us with open doors. We both said,"Hell, if I only had my gun!" This was in the late '80s, so I imagine it probably is much more tame there with the acceptance of bicycle tourists. Still, there are A-holes everywhere.
In the late '90s, I was married to a woman from Argentina. We met two guys on bikes that had ridden back from Alaska after traveling all the way from Tierra del Fuego. They were on their way back to Argentina when we met them. Later on, we got word that they made it back safely. What these Europeans probably didn't have was the language. I'm sure the Mexican people would have warned them where not to travel. On one of my trips to California, we were warned by a bike shop owner not to go to Oakland, but to make our train trip back from Martinez. He said in cryptic language, "It's too dark in Oakland, you know what I mean?" We did.
Dont you ever work lib? The issues in Mexico are not the same as bicycling on the american coast in the 80s. These bandits are the real thing and if only Mexico had similar rights for all to own guns then at least it would give pause to those bandits thinking of butchering innocents. Sadly, dont expect a change in gun laws anytime soon since the corrupt ruling class won't let it happen.
DeleteNo one is safe in Mexico, they still haven't found the 3 Italains, I won't even take my Canary to Mexico.
ReplyDeleteat 7:06 am...you are an idiot. the Italians were full on criminals who came to commit crimes in mexico. And they have not proven these guys were murdered at all. The USA isnt safe. So many places aren't safe.
DeleteThey kill nuns, and kids too, I would not take my poodle to Mexico, it's too hot, with Cartels running rampant.
DeleteDecapitated? Why not just rob and leave them alone.. took longer to cut their head off than it did to rob them...
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